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- From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
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- Subject: Re: Sheep in Organizations
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.130508.1@acad3.alaska.edu>
- Date: 25 Dec 92 21:05:08 GMT
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- In article <58017@dime.cs.umass.edu>, yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec24.161708.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
- >>Problem with what you are saying about land in trust and all that stuff, is
- >>that is either fedalism in the old Norman model or god I hate to say it
- >>Socialism.. Problme is we are supposed to be a democracy based on free person
- >
- > Is it your opinion that National parks are unconstitutional? There's no
- > incompatibility between democracy and public ownership of some property.
-
- Proplem is that some 75% of the land in Alasaka is either Federal or
- State Government or Local Governments, of Native Corps.
- >
- >>and the ability to make wealth. Why would I go to the Welfare office? Im not a
- >>brain dead pan handler from some parts of the US.. I work for my bread.
- >
- > You're asking for a handout. You want the general public to give you our
- > property for your private benefit. Why the hell should we? There are
- > millions of acres of privately held land in Alaska. Earn some money and
- > buy some instead of trying to grab our public land.
-
- Yes there is some private land.. But have you ever tried to do anything with
- much of it. Also by Alaska State Law you can't own the sub-surface rights to
- the minerals available.. Question why does there have to be so much "Public"
- land most is in places where you can't even get to unless you have a plane..and
- even if you have a plane, you can't set foot on it..
- >
- >>You must have me mistaken with some who lives back east.. As far as I know most
- > Nah. I've run into plenty of people both in the East and the West who
- > think that they deserve a big fat income courtesy of the public.
- >
- I said I would not mind having land in the old fashion way (homestead) but that
- is not to say that I deserve it...
-
- >
- > No. I mean that National Parks are for the benefit of all americans and
- > public property should not be given away.
- >
- Question is how did this "Public Property" come about? And why must the FED
- own land anyway? I wonder how money the GOV pays to upkeep/maintain FEDERAL
- land that they don't need to maintain. Turn most or all over to the States or
- the Public..
-
- >>When the founding fathers started our nation is was becuase of economic
- >>reasons, they were all land owners.. Do you think they would liek it that they
- >>did not own the land, but were only borrowing it.. Read up what feudalism is
- >>and you find what Im talking about..
- >
- > Tom Paine was not. Ever heard of him? But you should read some works by
- > the founding fathers if you want to invoke them. For example, you might want
- > to read Jefferson's letters to Monroe on land ownership. He explicitly
- > dismisses the theory that ownership of land should entitle the land owner
- > to use it up or to do with it whatever he/she pleases. Maybe Jefferson
- > was a, god I hate to say it, *socialist*.
- >
- Did they all not earn their bread on land, also did not Tom Jefferson own
- slaves... Maybe I should read the letters.. I try to keep an open mind.. I just
- get annoyed when to build a road, dam, or anyting to benefit the local
- population, you have to fill out a 400+ page environmental impact statement,
- and that drives the price of the project up thru the roof..
-
- >
- > --
- >
- >
- > yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu
- >
- As I say again, do I meddle in your politics of your state? If I don't have the
- courtesy to not meddle in the polictics of my state. And that includes all
- lands therein..
-
-
- Michael Adams
- Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel
- nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
-