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- From: mjvande@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Subject: Re: Save the Planet and the Economy at the Same time!
- Reply-To: mjvande@PacBell.COM (Mike Vandeman)
- Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:19:50 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.211950.7768@pbhye.PacBell.COM>
- References: <1992Dec21.041755.4485@pbhye.PacBell.COM> <1992Dec21.152006.23886@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1992Dec23.232248.12941@pbhye.PacBell.COM> <24DEC199209351878@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>
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- >As was pointed out in the responses from my fellow DC area citizen,
- >James Acker, the Bay area is above average in this regard. Transit
- >access is not as universally available elsewhere. Consider Los
- >Angeles. Also, being near a transit line does not mean that such
-
- I used transit & bicycled to work in LA. It can be done, IF YOU CARE.
-
- >transit can be reasonably used for all trips. A number of the
- >respondents have illustrated trips for which mass transit is nominally
- >available but not a practical alternative. From my limited experience
- >in the Bay area, it appears that transit lines follow a greater
- >fraction of typical trips thatn they do here.
-
- So rent a car for those rare trips. Still cheaper.
-
- >There appears to be a contradiction in approach here. Dr. Vandeman is
- >approaching the problem of poor development by choosing to live near
- >transit, (a choice which, as has been pointed out by a number of
- >correspondents, is not available to all) rather than by political
- >action. On the other hand, he approaches the problem of transit
- >methods through political action rather than personal choice of
- >transit methods.
-
- Whatever works.
-
- >The local civic association to which I belong has opposed high-density
- >commercial development in areas not convenient to mass transit. The
- >county-wide civic association to which I belong has opposed (with some
- >success so far) the construction of a "bypass" east of DC that would,
- >in fact, serve as a focus for automobile-oriented development.
-
- Good!
-
- >Directing any development into corridors where mass-transit access can
- >be arranged is an essential step in the process of developing a
- >well-used mass transit system with public support.
-
- Of course. But one can STILL avoid car ownership, if one tries, just like
- we sacrifice to maintain good relations with people. We feel that such
- sacrifices are worth it.
-
- >>>It depends what you need time for. If you need the time to read,
- >>>fine. But you can't do shopping, run household errands, or pick up
- >>>the kids from day care while you are sitting on mass transit.
- >>
- >>I didn't say transit is Utopia, only that it is viable. These things
- >>can be done without driving, e.g. by bicycle (incl. trailer).
- >
- >This answer misses the point. The question is _time_. The original
- >response was to the suggestion that time spent riding mass transit
- >could be used productively, whereas time spent driving could not be.
- >The point, which this answer fails to address, is that for many
- >people, the few things that can be done on mass transit are not those
- >for which time is needed.
-
- I didn't miss the point. I SAVE time by not owning a car. Ivan Illich
- explained that long ago. I avoid the time it takes to work to pay for a
- car....
-