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- From: jsue@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey L. Sue)
- Subject: Re: Alliance for a Paving Moratorium (Alert)
- References: <1992Dec23.005006.2291@pbhye.PacBell.COM> <1992Dec23.234735.21374@s1.gov>
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.160657.13438@ncsa.uiuc.edu>
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- Organization: The Dow Chemical Company
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:06:57 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.234735.21374@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
- >
- > This is what I'd like to see:
- >
- > Comparing traveling between San Francisco and Oakland by BART
- >and by car across the Bay Bridge. Which is more pleasant and less of a
- >hassle? Since Clinton & Co. live in Washington, DC, now, one might
- >think of some Washington Metro example for them.
- >
- > I must concede that a lot of public-transit systems have a
- >host of unpleasant features. It is rare to find a city bus that has a
- >pleasant ride, for example. Too many of them seem like some
- >car-company conspiracy to make the alternatives seem utterly
- >unpalatable.
- >
- > Rail vehicles are usually much more pleasant to ride in than
- >buses, at least in my experience. But the problem with rail-transit
- >systems is that the rail lines have to be built, and they usually have
- >to be separated from all that flat-road traffic in some way to avoid
- >being caught in traffic jams (the trolleys being stuck in traffic jams
- >was the nemesis of many a trolley system, and it is not surprising
- >that GM & Co. managed to get away with their scam of replacing
- >trolleys with buses for as long as they did). And that requires
- >_expensive_ construction if the rail vehicles are to travel any faster
- >than buses. But once it's built... just to take one example, consider
- >what some CalTrain champions propose as their service model: BART,
- >despite their complaints about BART's cost.
- >--
-
- There is a really interesting article in the December 1992 issue of
- Discover about a proposed "personal" mass transit system. It is called
- "Mass Transit for One", pg 38.
-
- The article discusses Edward Anderson's proposal for a unique kind of
- mass transit that is more like a taxi system. It runs on a rail that
- is significantly less expensive than current rail-based systems (e.g.,
- the "Elevated" in Chicago). The lower price is due, in part, to the
- fact that, by using smaller cars there is a much lower "dynamic load"
- on the support system and thus lighter material can be used in the
- construction (the weight could be cut "by a factor of 15 compared with
- heavy rail").
-
- The system is like a rail-based road system, much like our current street
- system for automobiles. Computers will determine which path for cars to
- take to reduce congestion. The cars will actually move off of the main
- roadway when picking-up/dropping-off passengers to reduce traffic problems.
-
- According to the article, Edward Anderson's new rail system exists in only
- in a computer simulation right now. However, Taxi 2000 Corporation and
- Chicago's Regional Transportation Authority are interested in this project.
-
- This article is fairly informative to someone with my level of
- understanding of the problems. Those of you who are more in the civil
- engineering line of work may find it light on the details. In any case
- I find it an exciting idea, if it works.
-
-
- --
- -----
- Jeff Sue
- - All opinions are mine - (and you can't have any, nya nya nya)
-