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- From: 471-1@air.atmo.arizona.edu (E. Shane Jimerfield)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment,talk.environment
- Subject: Re: Why do they hate us?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.054012.22354@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 05:40:12 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.172458.9968@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec17.015017.756@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> 471-1@.arizona.edu (E. Shane Jimerfield) writes:
- >>
- >>>In article constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino) writes:
- >>>
- >>>No, I think it's due to the irrationality of the environmentalists.
- >>
- >>What is wrong with wanting a better future for this planet. In most of my
- >>studies of 'humanity' the most appalling constant found is the destruction
- >>of nature. Men have been at war with this planet for as long as history
- >>tells of their struggle to dominate all things, including other men. It
- >>is time for humanity to be welcomed into the 20th century with
- >>technology. Most problems can be solved if one question is answered
- >>before every action taken. That question is .. Will it bring harm to
- >>another person or animal. If the answer is yes, then it's wrong, don't
- >>do it.
- >
- >Then curl up and die. Every action, or inaction, has harmful effects
- >on *something*. What must be weighed is the cost/benefit ratio of an
- >action. Humans have been "at war" with "Nature" for as long as history
- >records. But humans view it in a different manner. They have been shaping
- >Nature to a more useful form by taming and guiding it along channels
- >they see as having higher benefit to *humans* while having less adverse
- >costs to *humans*. It's a very speciescentric view, but it's the same
- >view any creature capable of rational, or instinctive, action holds about
- >it's species. It's the urge that drives the bee to build a comb and a
- >beaver to build a dam. The beaver doesn't care if he floods out some
- >competitor species. He only cares that *his* situation is improved.
- >
- >Alan points out that human actions are on a scale and timescale such
- >that large portions of other existing species can't adapt. He sees
- >that as a cost too high to pay for advancing the interest of the human
- >species. But like the beaver, most humans do not consider damage to
- >competitor species more important than advancing the conditions of
- >the human species. That's a risky behavior, but so is maintaining
- >the status quo where humans are perishing today because of present
- >transitory ecological balance points.
- >
- >Gary
-
- So, I should die, wow, it's kind of a unique experience posting to this
- news group.
-
- Could you please post your definition of humanity, I would be very
- interested to see it?
-
- --
- Take 'er easy.... Shane
- .watch out for the lightning (a large-scale high-tension natural electric
- discharge in the atmosphere)......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- ..informal... a sudden usually improbable stroke of fortune.......
-