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- From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: hot water
- Message-ID: <78895@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 20:10:41 GMT
- References: <5016.1017.uupcb@spacebbs.com>
- Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA
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- In <5016.1017.uupcb@spacebbs.com> howard.smith@spacebbs.com (Howard Smith) writes:
-
- |M> First, my home heating system is essentially a oil-fired hot water
- |M> heater (except the hot water heats my house not a shower) and it is
- |M> rated as 87% efficient. Higher efficiency is available. I see no
- |M> reason why an oil fired hot water heater should be only 20-30%
- |M> efficient.
-
- |The problem with oil and gas water heaters is the flue. It has to have
- |low thermal resistance to the water and also low resistance to the flow
- |of the fumes and air up from the bottom of the flue. Much heat goes up
- |the flue.
-
- |Real inefficiency occurs when the heater reaches temperature and shuts
- |off, leaving the heat from the pilot light and the water, back through
- |the low thermal resistance, to pass up the flue by convection. The
- |less hot water you use, the less efficient the system. Some sort of
- |electric pilot light and automatic, insulated damper in the flue are
- |needed to stop this loss.
-
- |If the damper fails, you're in trouble.
-
- |Electric heaters don't have these problems.
-
- |The most efficient system for a large household is an active, roof-top
- |mounted, solar heater with a large electric heater in loop for storage
- |and standbye heating. All well insulated, of course.
-
- |M> Second, while the electric heater is 100% efficient at converting
- |M> the electricity you pay for into heat, the power plant is only about
- |M> 40% efficient at generating the electricity and getting it to you.
-
- |M> This is reflected in the higher price of electricity compared to oil.
-
- |Yes, but you also have pay the man to bring the oil to your house.
-
- I saw an interesting gas water heater a few months ago. This unit had the
- burner outside the water heater. A small electric pump moved water through
- the burner when the flame is on. It also had a one way valve so that the
- water could not flow backwards when the burner was off.
-
- This totally eliminated the need for the central flue. Claimed to be a lot
- more efficient, but it cost more.
-
- --
- Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
- a government.
- It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
- Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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