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- From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics
- Subject: Re: help needed building water level sensor
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.203146.1040@cmkrnl.com>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 04:31:46 GMT
- References: <00965764.D96DDB80@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> <1hq0ilINNbji@fnnews.fnal.gov> <1992Dec29.175243.10083@cbnews.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Dec29.175243.10083@cbnews.cb.att.com>, wrb@cbnews.cb.att.com
- (wallace.r.blackburn) writes:
- > In article <1hq0ilINNbji@fnnews.fnal.gov> behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV writes:
- >>In article <00965764.D96DDB80@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uchrgrh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
- >>>I would like to build a solid state device that would turn off a water
- >>>pump in my aquarium if the water level drops below a certain level.
- >>>I am willing to look at prefabricated stuff but would prefer to build it
- >>>my self.
- >>
- >>Seems that a simple micro-switch attached to a float would work fine. [...]
- >
- > HEY!!!! That would be simple, functional, and reliable! What the heck are
- > you trying to do here?!
- >
- > I was going to answer this in a few weeks. I wanted to get the results of
- > the modeling and reliability studies first. Since I'm on the spot though,
- > I'll give the preliminaries.
- >
- > First, for reliability, you definitely need multiple sensors. Three
- > should be sufficient. These will each be monitored by separate
- > microcontrollers and the results sent to a master contoller via a duplexed
- > serial link. Some more work will have to be done to determine the optimal
- > protocol for the link and so on. Most probably have to develop an entirely
- > new one.
-
- I thought this was sci.electronics. This last bit sounds like comp.mail.uucp .
- :-)
-
- However, the best microcontroller-based design cannot make up for poor sensors.
- And as long as we're going to all this trouble, we should ensure that the
- design is robust enough to stand up to marine environments (e.g. for salt-water
- aquariums, aquatic parks, etc.). I doubt that the float-and-microswitch
- arrangement qualifies on this point.
-
- Obviously, the best solution is to use Polaroid ultrasonic ranging modules to
- determine the height of the liquid in the tank. These will have no problems
- with corroding pivot-points nor with corroding sensor probes, etc., and in fact
- will be completely noninvasive (unless the tank occupants are sensitive to
- ultrasonics; hmm, better check out the freq. range of dolphin hearing, among
- others).
-
- Best of all, since you now will have not just a simple on-off sensor but rather
- a continuous range of values, your microcontrollers can keep a record of the
- water height over time. You can use this to figure out the optimal times to
- add water to the tank. Who knows, the movements of various fish may produce
- recognizable "signatures" in the ripple patterns on the top of the water, and
- you could collect this information and analyze fish activity levels over time.
-
- Probably two or three research grants' worth of work right there.
-
- :-)
-
- --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
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