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- From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos
- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 14:20:15 GMT
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- In <78885@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
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- >What you have done in essence is vaporized the flywheel. If anyone knows
- >the heat of vaporization of carbon-carbon please post it.
-
- >My intuition is that while it will take more energy to vaporize than does
- >iron, it won't absorb anywhere near enough to make a difference.
-
- Sorry about responding to my own post, but I forgot something.
-
- The vaporized carbon-carbon will deposit itself on the first thing that
- it encounters that is cold enough to cause it to condense.
- In this case, the inside of the containment vessel. By condensing the fluff
- will transfer the heat of vaporization to the containment vessel.
- By vaporizing the flywheel, you have not diverted the energy, but mostly
- just delayed it a bit.
-
- The only way to get rid of this energy is to vaporize material.
- If the containment was made out of carbon-carbon as you suggest, then it
- must be massive enough that after the requisite amount of material has
- vaporized, there is still a thick enough wall to withstand the pressure
- of all of that hot gas inside the containment vessel until the unit
- as a whole has had enough time to radiate the energy away as heat.
-
- As I see these are the data points we need for carbon-carbon.
-
- Heat of vaporization. (how much material is needed to absorb the energy)
- Vaporization temperature of carbon-carbon.
- (This will be the temperature of the gas inside the containment
- vessel. If it were any hotter it would vaporize more of the
- containment and cool itself off. Since we know the amount of
- c-c that has vaporized, and the gases temperature, we ought
- to be able to calculate the pressure inside the containment.)
- Tensile strength of c-c. (This will tell us how thick the remaining
- containment vessel will have to be to contain the pressure
- we calculated above. Does anyone know if heat affects the
- strength of c-c, since the inside surface of the vessel will
- be just below the vaporization point.
- It might be nice if we knew the thermal resistance of c-c. (That way
- we could calculate just how hot the outside surface of the
- containment will get, and how long it will take to cool
- down.)
- --
- Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
- a government.
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- Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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