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- From: alain@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca (W. A. Simon)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt,news.admin,news.groups
- Subject: (redirected) sci.crypt.research
- Message-ID: <23999@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca>
- Date: 27 Dec 92 23:17:00 GMT
- References: <9212272117.AA16102@NMSU.Edu> <1992Dec27.043202.29306@ncar.ucar.edu>
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- PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWUP-TO HEADER
-
- In <9212272117.AA16102@NMSU.Edu>
- ted@nmsu.edu
- disagrees with my previous (hasty) piece:
-
- >> [ ... ]
- >> NO to sci.crypt.research
- >> YES to talk.crypt
- >> YES to keeping sci.crypt as is
- >> NO to moderating either
-
- > this is all well and good, but creating a new group has the advantage
- > of leaving all the talkers behind. since they won't hear the fact
- > that there is a new place to blather, they will continue to pollute
- > the group.
- > it might work if there were a moderator who forwarded all talk posts
- > to talk.crypt
-
- I should have written talk.politics.crypt, but let's find
- out if YAG (yet another group) is going to resolve the basic
- problem:
-
- talk.politics.crypt is just a narrower debate in the larger
- freedom of thoughts/speech debate which is well covered in
- alt.* and talk.politics.*. This would militate against the
- creation of YAG, but it favors posting elsewhere.
-
- We may dislike the "pollution" of our forum by "unscientific"
- threads, but the debate is relevant to the subject since
- cryptography is so politically charged, and it is important
- to us since it may affect our right to exchange ideas on the
- subject, in this very same "sci" forum. So, maybe we should
- not have YAG and maybe we should stick to sci.crypt.
-
- Maybe we could ENCOURAGE the philosophers and politicians to
- use the "Followup-To:" header so the thread can move by itself
- to the proper grounds. There would - I am sure - be nothing
- wrong in x-posting the initial piece in sci.crypt, if only
- to alert us to the existence of a possibly interesting thread
- in a talk or alt group. Screaming about being "sick and tired"
- and advocating moderation (if not outright policing) is not
- sustainable. Pretending that our "talkers" are just blathering
- is downright stupid. Finally, treating the "talkers" as if they
- had no right to talk is not productive either. We all have a "n"
- key as well as a kill file. Let's use them. No need for YAG
- if we do. Maybe.
-
- Since we are talking about "talkers", I should mention that
- I have a real interest in both the political impacts of
- cryptography and its scientific aspects; I am however not
- too keen on sifting through the noisier groups just to find
- a few rare items of very specialized interest. Therefore,
- the creation of YAG may be a good compromise to satisfy
- the need for an open debate on a subject that sorely needs
- it without exposing the reader to low signal to noise ratii,
- and it will help reduce the unscientific contents of the sci
- group. As to the idea of moving our tents every time we don't
- like the new neighbours, it penalizes those who move...
-
- --
- William "Alain" Simon
- 514 / 934 6320 alain@uniforum.qc.ca
-
- --
- Alain - Canadian Patent #1310575
- [ ... usual disclaimer... ]
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