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- From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)
- Subject: Re: Stupid question time.
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.232424.24678@bernina.ethz.ch>
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- Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
- References: <1992Dec22.222639.26141@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:24:24 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.222639.26141@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
- >Would multiple encryptions add to the level of security of, say, a PK system
- >like RSA or a knapsack scheme? What I mean is to encrypt the clear text and
-
- I will talk only about knapsack, as I am currently having literature around
- which covers that facette :-)
- It seems that, although first rated computationally infaisible (before
- Shamir did show a way to break specifc single-iterated knapsacks), Ernie
- Brickwell broke a knapsack-system of 40 iterations and hundred weights
- in the cargo-vector. (Taking about 1 hour of cray-1 CPU)
- E.F. Brickwell "Breaking iterated knapsacks" Procedings of Crypto '84
- (vol 12, pp. 342-358)
- I do not know how much knapsack could be 'strengthened' by using independant
- keys for each iteration, but I assume knapsack is _broken_.
-
- >then encrypt the encrypted text, probably with a different key. If encryption
-
- With different keys. Using the same key more than once could cause trouble.
- (I guess the resulting operation would not be weaker than an only-once
- encryption, but does not actually need to be stronger!)
- Somebody with more theoretical knowledge, please tell us why this is so ;-)
-
- But I _guess!_ that using different keys, and the encryption mechanism NOT
- being a group (wasn't there some posting about multiple DES - encryptions
- which talked about the possible problems which did not rise in DES?) you
- actually create a wider keyspace.
-
- >offer the equivalent of encryption with very large keys (say, >10000 digits).
-
- At which computational costs ? I guess the method is good and slow .-)
-
- Don't take me for an expert, I am only doing this for fun, and speculating
- here.
- Friendly greetings & a happy new year,
-
- /gec
-
-
-
- p.s. there are no stupid questions. only stupid answers :-)
-
- --
- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register.
- Space still contains infinite unknowns.
-
- Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch
-