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- From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)
- Subject: Re: PGP technical question (Not a flame)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.224024.24220@bernina.ethz.ch>
- Followup-To: alt.test
- Summary: Reply to Sternlight and a FLAME
- Keywords: IDEA,Swiss,ETH,politics
- Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System)
- Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
- References: <168C413C13.UC445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu> <1992Dec22.105243.9533@bernina.ethz.ch> <1992Dec22.220242.3624@netcom.com>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:40:24 GMT
- Lines: 65
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- In article <1992Dec22.220242.3624@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
- >Wasn't it a Swiss firm, Hagelin AG, that (according to Bamford) sold
- >cryptographic devices for years while both cooperating with governmental
- >code breakers, and perhaps even knowing their system was broken?
-
- I do see no direct connection between 'a swiss firm' and IDEA.
- Beside this I actually do not know what Haegelin did.
-
- >I'm asking, not accusing, but it would be an amusing historical
- >footnote to IDEA being the product of a Swiss firm.
-
- Wrong. PES, and later IPES (which is IDEA) are products of Mr. Lai, and
- part of his doctorate thesis. (Mr. Massey did participate in it too).
- So IDEA is a product of ETH. Correct is that Ascom and the ETH together
- hold a swiss patent on it, which requires licensing usage of IDEA for
- commercial purposes.
- I am sure there exist lots of footnotes on all major inventions such as
- Nylon, the Manhatten Project, Peniciline, the great invention of Mr.
- Nobel, Sauerbruchs Work and Gun-Powder.
- But I am not able to understand what is 'amusing' that a firm holds part
- of a patent on an algorithm, which is part of a doctorate thesis.
-
- >No reading between the lines, please. :-)
-
- You force me to. I personally find it *VERY* interesting that you inter-
- connect the IDEA algorithm, whose security is admittably not as well
- proven as that of DES :-))), and the usances of a firm which eventually
- did some ethically and perhaps even legally wrongs with their crypto-
- systems and I will keep to my imagination whatever your purpose might have
- been.
-
- If someone is ready to discuss the security of IDEA, I will be very
- interested to see a new thread start. I will try to obtain part of
- Mr. Lai's thesis which describes IDEA in detail in /TeX-Format,
- in the middle of January, but can NOT guarante success.
-
- >>>START OF FLAME-LIKE PART<<<
- Followups to this thread are directed to alt.test, as it could easily
- glide into political discussion, which I do NOT like on sci.crypt.
-
- I would really like it, if all these discussions, which are easily
- recognized by containing some of the strings like 'PKP comments' or
- 'PKP vs. PGP' or 'legality' etc. in the subject line, and have mostly
- turned into polemics and flames by now, would be moved to /dev/null too!
- It's sci.crypt, not soc.crypt!! I agree on the necessity of ethical rules
- even for scientists :-)) but those discussions seem more and more like
- wasted bandwith to me!
-
- Mr. Sternlight or whoever, if you want to discuss with me about politics,
- ethics, moral, usance of firms, legality etc. interconnected with sci.crypt
- and already discussed in the beginnings of above mentioned threads,
- please mail me directly :-)
-
- All facts, opinions and beliefs expressed here are mine, and may change
- without notice :-)) I can not give any gurantee for correctness!
-
- Friendly greetings and a happy new year
-
- Germano Caronni
-
- --
- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register.
- Space still contains infinite unknowns.
-
- Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch
-