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- From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
- Subject: Re: DES, PKP
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.035135.25485@ulysses.att.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:51:35 GMT
- References: <9212232324.AA16907@skidrow.ljo.dec.com> <scs.725162283@wotan.iti.org>
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- In article <scs.725162283@wotan.iti.org>, scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes:
- > Those two sentences sound contradictory to me. Don't IEEE and ANSI
- > require all the technologies involved in a standard to be in the public
- > domain?
-
- No, they don't. They simply want the assurances given in the document,
- that access be reasonably-priced and non-discriminatory. Want a good
- example? DES and Ethernet were patented. (The DES patents have since
- expired, and carried no license fee in any event. Technically, though,
- I think one needed a license, and I've heard rumors (that I never
- confirmed) that one could get a license if and only if one agreed to
- use only the four standard modes of operation.)
-
- Yes, it surprised me, too, when I learned that proprietary technologies
- could be blessed by ANSI and IEEE. Then I thought a bit more. These
- are organizations that serve *businesses*, not universities.
- Businesses, in general, do not object to paying reasonable fees for
- services rendered; after all, they themselves charge for similar
- services. Now, they may disagree as to the validity of particular
- patents, or even about the principle behind certain patents (though
- businesses rarely have principles, per se, as opposed to bottom lines),
- but paying for designs and specifications is quite common in the business
- world. Academe is different, of course; there, free software, educational
- discounts, etc., are the norm.
-
- Even the IAB has blessed RSA for PEM, for the simple reason that no
- alternative seemed feasible. And yes, a reasonable license fee is
- being charged, though a substantial portion of it is for the certification
- hierarchy, rather than for patent royalties.
-