home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Xref: sparky sci.crypt:6064 alt.security.pgp:371
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.security.pgp
- Path: sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!strnlght
- From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
- Subject: Re: PKP/RSA comments on PGP legality
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.203159.23174@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <bontchev.724946717@fbihh> <1992Dec21.194928.2449@netcom.com> <bontchev.725036591@fbihh>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:31:59 GMT
- Lines: 46
-
-
- Vesselin posts a long message, which contains a misstatement of fact and
- a number of claims. Let me treat the first, and then see if I can
- cut through the second.
-
- I don't argue the law and then if that doesn't work, argue ethics.
- Vesselin cannot have been reading my posts very carefully if
- he thinks so.
-
- In the U.S., I argue the law, since the issue is patents and that RSA
- has one, and that the Munitions act covers imports as well as exports.
-
- In Europe, where I have never argued RSA's patents apply, and I have
- never argued the U.S. Munitions laws apply, I argue the ethics of
- taking an invention without compensation. Like most such discussions
- here, these arguments have evolved as we learn from each other. That
- argument also applies in the U.S.
-
- It's not a fallback position, but two separate sets of arguments for
- two separate situations--the one in Europe and the one in the U.S.
-
- Now let me try to cut through a lot of what seems to me to be
- posturing and rationalization about the legality of PGP in Europe. By
- starting a separate topic, I asked the public question about Munitions
- and crypto laws in European countries, and everybody who was so
- vociferous about their "rights" to use PGP there immediately fell
- silent. However, I received several e-mail responses from those who
- hadn't participated so far, pointing out, with details, that the
- crypto and munitions laws in most European countries (maybe not
- Finland or Bulgaria--dunno) are much more stringent than in the U.S.
- (We may never find out about the crypto laws in Finland, since Jyrki
- says he's put me on his kill list.)
-
- Thus I suggest for Vesselin's (and others') consideration that they
- may be violating the laws of the countries they are in by using PGP
- without (for example) getting permission from the appropriate
- Minister, as in France. If true, that would make all the posturing
- about how the U.S. Munitions laws don't apply to Europe and hence PGP
- is o.k. completely bogus.
-
- In the case of Vesselin, specifically, I suggest he check out
- the German crypto and Munitions laws, since that's where he
- apparently has PGP on a computer. If he's planning to use it
- in Bulgaria, he may also wish to check out those laws.
-
- David
-