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- From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt,alt.security.pgp
- Subject: Re: PGP as a World Standard
- Message-ID: <bontchev.725034641@fbihh>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 14:30:41 GMT
- References: <1992Dec18.021308.10817@ulysses.att.com> <1992Dec18.094613.18728@netcom.com> <bontchev.724945521@fbihh> <1992Dec21.185308.25306@netcom.com>
- Sender: news@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Mr. News)
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- Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
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- strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
-
- > Vesselin Bontchev asks why I don't revoke my key. The reason is because
- > now that I understand the legal position I won't use PGP. To revoke
- > my key en clair would be insecure and many have argued about the
- > dangers of spoofing.
-
- 1) You've made enough noise on the net, so the probability of spoofing
- is relatively low... (just kidding)
-
- 2) If you have indeed commited a crime when using PGP (which I
- sincerely doubt), then the fact that you were not aware of the law
- does not make you innocent.
-
- 3) I am suggesting you a way to correct your "crime". If you refuse to
- do it, it's your problem.
-
- > Besides, the key does no harm out there. Those who wish to delete it
-
- It's OK, it was just a suggestion. But I will not delete it from any
- public keyrings, until I get a revokation certificate for it.
-
- > I can't help feeling that Vesselin isn't really serious in his request,
- > but has his tongue in his cheek. If he IS serious, then he's attempting
- > to induce me to use PGP illegally, and I won't.
-
- I was perfectly serious and was just suggesting you a way to repair an
- action that you seem to think has been legally or ethically wrong (I
- already lost track of what exactly are your oppinions). If you refuse
- to use that oportunity, it's fine with me; it's your problem, not
- mine.
-
- > By the way, in a previous message, Vesselin argues that he comes from
- > a country (Bulgaria) without patent (or was it copyright) protections,
- > as if that is an argument that should carry weight.
-
- No copyright protections and only on computer software (i.e., we have
- it for books, records, movies, etc.). Our patent system is also a
- mess, but that's a completely different story. I used this argument
- when you began to talk about the ethics of usage of something that is
- ptented elsewhere. My point was that I am used to a completely
- different ethical system (not "right" or "wrong", not "better" or
- "worse" - just different) and feel no obligation to agree with your
- ethical system. And I somewho feel that you will certainly not worry
- about using a device that might be patented on Mars... :-)
-
- > Hardly. In the former Soviet Union many crimes were committed which
- > were not illegal, as, I warrant, in Bulgaria.
-
- If it is not illegal, it is not a crime, sorry. You are contradicting
- yourself. You probably mean that some of the acts committed there
- might be considered as crimes by the laws of your country. This is
- just the well-known attitude of some (hopefully - few) people in the
- USA, who seem to think that their laws apply to the whole universe.
- Welcome to the reality - I don't give a dime about your laws, unless I
- move to the USA, in which case I'll respect your laws and won't give a
- dime about the laws of the other countries.
-
- > That doesn't make them right.
-
- It makes them not illegal, i.e. - not crimes. There is no such thing
- as universal "right" or "wrong", although there are some values that
- apply for the most part of the humanity.
-
- > I suggest that if present-day Bulgaria wishes to gain the benefits
- > of membership in the international economic community, or the EEC, it
- > will have to bring its intellectual property laws in line, and until
- > then, many of its actions constitute stealing according to international
- > norms, even if not under the laws of Bulgaria.
-
- That's a good suggestion and the people there are working on the
- subject.
-
- Regards,
- Vesselin
- --
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