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- From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)
- Subject: Re: Legal Stuff!
- Message-ID: <bontchev.724943800@fbihh>
- Sender: news@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Mr. News)
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- Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg
- References: <1992Dec18.153529.18137@penet.fi> <1992Dec19.211405.22406@netcom.com>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 13:16:40 GMT
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- strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
-
- > an3596@anon.penet.fi asks why PGP is available outside the U.S.
- > but ripem won't be so distributed.
-
- And he's asking a perfectly reasonable question, see below.
-
- > PGP was coded outside the U.S. and incorporates IDEA, which is a
- > non-U.S. encryption method.
-
- And which is also patented, BTW, just license for non-comercial use is
- granted.
-
- > (By the way, it would be a delicious piece
- > of irony against those who are taking RSA's invention without
- > compensation by using pgp, if IDEA were well and truly broken by the
- > NSA, the Japanese, the French, the British, the Tibetans, and your
- > commercial competitors.)
-
- I would be, but it isn't. Besides, I am perfectly happy to live with
- an encryption scheme that only a forign intelligence service is able
- to break... Gee, I would be proud if the considered my messages that
- important... :-)
-
- > Thus PGP does not violate the restriction
- > against exporting DES since it doesn't use DES, though it cannot be
- > imported legally into the U.S. where it violates RSA's patents. Some
- > argue it can't be imported into the U.S. without a Munitions Act
- > license either.
-
- The above statement, is a complete mess. First, according to ITAR,
- exporting of ANY encryption software might be illegal, not just of
- DES. (I just wonder how all those crypt(3) functions in the Unixes
- around were exported...) Second, it is not illegal to import something
- that infringes patents, it might be just illegal to -use- it. Third,
- those who are gullible enough to believe to your claim, and those who
- are paranoid enough to be scared by them, can obtain PGP in a perfecty
- legal way - from within the USA. It is available for anonymous fpt
- from:
-
- van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca:/pub/crypto/PGP-2.1
- pencil.cs.missouri.edu:/pub/crypt
- soda.berkeley.edu:/pub/cyberpunks/pgp
- eugene.utmb.edu:/pub/pgp
-
- and probably from many others.
-
- > ripem was coded in the U.S. and uses DES. DES cannot be exported
- > outside a few specific countries without a license which will not be
- > granted by the U.S. authorities. Thus ripem is not legally available
- > there. Since ripem's use of RSA's patented technology is licensed by
- > RSA, it does not violate their patents in the U.S.
-
- Fortunately, the USA is not the only country that has programmers, so
- there are plenty of free DES implementations around. I really cannot
- understand why RIPEM is not available for anonymous ftp, without the
- DES and the RSAREF stuff. Anybody should be able to plug in additional
- DES- and RSAREF-compatible modules...
-
- Would somebody care to post the specifications of RSAREF?
-
- Regards,
- Vesselin
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