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- From: kqb@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.q.brown)
- Subject: Re: Cryoprotectant Issues
- Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:16:38 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.211638.7382@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
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- > From: Ben Best <ben.best@canrem.com>
- > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:00:00 -0500
- > Message-Subject: more on cryoprotectants
-
- ERRATA AGAIN: Garret Smyth is correct, I meant "emulsion", not
- "suspension". (Double-entendres cloud the mind.)
-
- Canada Remote Systems, my network host, periodically delays
- my USENET messages several days and then sends them to me in a
- batch -- which slows down my response time. (This is an excuse, not
- an apology.) In any case, my CRYONET dialogue about cryopreservation
- seems to be winding-down. I need to study the literature more and
- formulate my thoughts before doing any more mouthing-off -- and I will
- attempt to crystallize this effort in an article in the Winter issue
- of CANADIAN CRYONICS NEWS. But a few parting thoughts:
-
- REPLY TO MIKE DARWIN
-
- I am not suggesting that theorizing is a substitute for research,
- but it can help research to ask the right questions. Thank you for your
- comments about dehydration damage as opposed to freezing damage, but
- since we don't know what structures are the most essential to preserve,
- can we really be sure that 6M glycerol is better than 4M? In Greg Fahy's
- December 1991 CRYONICS article he comments that 6M glycerol "has
- produced either superb preservation or preservation marred by massive
- cellular dehydration, depending on the glycerolization technique." What
- technique avoids dehydration? I have been fantasizing about using a
- chemical to accompany glycerol which would cause non-destructive
- puncturing of cell membranes -- thereby allowing easy perfusion.
-
- I can't comment on Suda's data, since I haven't seen it. But if
- Greg is in possession of it, why can't you (or I) get a copy?
-
- Greg's vitrification solution of DMSO, propylene glycol and
- formamide sounds more appealing than DMSO alone, but I'm still
- wondering why he excluded glycerol. If my theory of high perfusion with
- low molecular weight is correct, formamide (HCONH2) with a molecular
- weight of 45 would be excellent. Greg sounds so awesomely confident in
- CRYOMSG 486 when he says "I may or may not be able to work out a
- technique for vitrifying the brain, but I can certainly reduce ice
- crystal growth enough to preclude structural damage, which would be
- good enough." If he is right, why isn't implementing his techniques
- the NUMBER ONE priority of cryonics research? Did he make his statement
- before discovering that his DMSO-propylene glycol-formamide mixture only
- vitrified the grey matter of dog's brains, and not the white matter? It
- sounds to me as if what is needed the most is a low molecular weight
- lipophilic cryoprotectant that can be added to Greg's mixture to
- protect the white matter.
-
- -- Ben Best (ben.best%canrem@uunet.ca)
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