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- From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
- Subject: Re: John Searle
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.221909.20894@psych.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
- References: <1992Dec21.003346.11084@cs.su.oz.au> <1992Dec21.171520.2152@psych.toronto.edu> <1992Dec30.010055.28422@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:19:09 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec30.010055.28422@ucc.su.OZ.AU> neilb@physics.su.OZ.AU (RiemannZeta(s)) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec21.171520.2152@psych.toronto.edu> christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green) writes:
- >>No way of telling who's right? You've lost me. But even if there were no
- >>such way, that would hardly warrant you abolishing the topic. Maybe
- >>there are things we can't know (though I certainly wouldn't claim this
- >>for qualia. I'm perfectly satisfied they exist.)
- >
- >We are basically arguing about different theories of truth. You are using
- >a correspondence theory and I am using a coherence theory... So you are
- >perfectly happy with things that are intrinsically unknowable, while I'm
- >not.
-
- Even coherence theories have to account for reference (something they
- notoriously have trouble with) or they're not semantic theories at all.
-
- >At any rate, if Searle is seriously arguing that consciousness
- >exists but is unknowable then that DOES warrant stopping work on his theory,
- >since if it true then there's no point trying to study consciousness at all,
- >and if it's not then we shouldn't be using it!
- >
- Perhaps, but of course he's not arguing anything of the kind. It is only
- knowlable subjectively. That doesn't make it *ontologically* subjective.
- It's as much a fact of the world as a rock. It's just not shareable.
- If you have no subjective experience of consciousness, I guess you're
- just out of luck. Better go into another science.
-
- --
- Christopher D. Green christo@psych.toronto.edu
- Psychology Department cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
- University of Toronto
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