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- From: bunner@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Dana A. Bunner)
- Subject: More on Binoculars
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.220125.14772@macc.wisc.edu>
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- Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
- Date: 28 DEC 92 14:35:03
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- I just finished a rather extensive comparison of binoculars and thought
- some of this group would find it interesting.
-
- I am fortunate to live near a rather large birding/astronomical binocular
- shop. In fact they were consulted by Astronomy Magazine on their recent
- binocular Buyer's Guide article.
-
- My prime objective was to purchase a second pair of binoculars to
- supplement my compact 7x21 sports glasses and to serve as a good all-purpose
- lightweight astronomical and wildlife glass. Also with nature having blessed
- me with eyes requiring 6.25 diopter corrective lenses, I desired enough
- eye relief to use them with eyeglasses, as well as enough focus correction
- to use them naked eye. This is a rather difficult combination.
-
- First, I quickly found that vendor advertised eye relief figures are not
- reliable. My local store performs their own tests to determine actual
- eye relief performance. Eyepiece design enters into this measurement.
- In many designs the eyepiece does approach the claimed figure if measured
- from the back of the eyepiece glass to the focused image. However several
- eyepieces are recessed into their eyepiece "frames," which do not allow the
- front surface of eyeglasses to get closer than 4-8mm of the lense. Thus
- reducing the effective eye relief for eyeglass wearers. A good example
- of this design is the Celestron Ultima 8x56. A very nice binocular with
- an advertised eye relief of 21mm. However actual in-store testing revealed
- that the image was focused just 11mm back of partial hard plastic, non-
- rolled down eyepiece cup. Some other results are shown below:
-
- Model Advertised ER Measured ER
- Fujicon 8x40 BFL 19 17
- Celestron 7x42 Ultima 23 19
- Zeiss 7x42 B/GA T Dialyt 19 18
- Pentax 7x35 PCF 14 9
- Nikon 8x30E Criterion 13 13
- Swift 8x25 Micron 13 11
- Pentax 8x24 UCF 13 8
- Bausch & Lomb 7x26 Custom 16 15
- Celestron 10x50 Pro 13 10
- Celestron 10x50 Ultima 19 17
- Pentax 7x50 PCF 20 10
- Minolta 7x50 Standard 18 16
- Fujicon 7x50 FMT-SX 23 20
-
- As the typical recommended eye relief is 15mm for eyeglass wearers,
- a few of these discrepancies can make a big difference.
-
- Another interesting discovery was comparing the highly rated Carton
- Adlerblicks to Celestron Ultimas. If one covered the nameplates, it
- was impossible to tell them apart. Store personal said the same was
- true when they were disassembled. The parts are interchangable.
- Selected models of the Swift Ultra Light series are also identical
- except they have replaced the "leatherette" covering of the Carton's
- and Celestron's with a light rubber coating. In store testing of the
- 8x42 Ultima, Adlerblick, and Swift was unable to detect any difference
- in eye relief, image brightness, or field of view.
-
- Several low-end binoculars were also near-identical, for example the
- 7x35 models of the Minolta EZ, Swift All-Sports, and Bausch & Lomb
- Legacy's were the same except for the Minolta's using plastic hinges.
-
- As to finding models which could achieve a naked eye sharp focus at
- infinity for my defective eyes, I met much failure. Out of all of the
- 7x50's tested, only the Minolta 7x50XL came close and it wasn't 100%
- sharp. None of the 8x56's were successful (I was considering the 8x56
- Celestron Ultimas before testing them but they failed both the effective
- eye-relief and unaided focus tests). The inexpensive 7x35's from Swift
- & crew were able to focus however with an effective eye relief of just
- 7mm, they were unusable. Also these extra-wide angle (578ft @ 1000 yds)
- designs had severe edge sharpness problems on starfields.
-
- In the end, I decided on a pair of the Celestron/Carton/Swift 7x42
- models. All had fully multicoated glass surfaces (tested by shining
- a strong light into each end and observing the color of the reflections.
- No white reflections could be found. All are very light, weighing in at
- 20-21 ounces. But I had to go through 6 pairs to find a Celestron which
- gave me a sharp naked-eye focus, the rest were just off ... usable for
- birding but not for astronomical purposes. I would've seriously
- considered popping for the extra $40 for the Ultima 7x50's if I could
- have found any which focused w/o eyeglasses. And might have been
- tempted by the heavier Celestron Pro 7x50's for less money if not for
- the same focusing problem. A couple of nice looking Miradors and
- Swifts (non-Ultra Lites) came up short with non-coated inner surfaces.
- The Orion 8x56 Mini-Giants were attractive at $129 but are heavy and
- untested on naked eye focus and claimed eye relief of 18mm. Plus the
- recent negative sci.astro review didn't generate enthusiam.
-
- This model has a 6mm exit pupil image and with the superb coatings,
- transmits more light than many cheaper and heavier 7x50's. Last night
- being a great night for viewing (and having a wind chill reading of
- better than 20 degrees ... very rare for Wisconsin this time of year)
- I took them out for about 90 minutes. They were wonderful, vastly
- better than my old 7x21 compacts. I was able to easily observe several
- Messier objects, including M36, M37, and M38 in Auriga, objects my
- compacts could not detect. Certainly they are not the match of a 10x70
- but then again they are 1/3 the weight and great for hikes. When used
- with my Coulter 13.1" and Telrad, they were a perfect compliment to
- locate objects, cutting down my search time by several minutes per object.
- Also the edge to edge sharpness was quite good, far better than the $75
- wide angle pairs. The field of view of 368 ft @ 1000 yards gives nice
- images of constellations, the 10x50 models with 263' FOV cut off some of
- my favorite views.
-
- At $180 they seem to be a good value. If I had another $200 lying
- around I would've seriously considered the Celestron 6.5x44 ED model.
- It was beautiful, great sharpness, bright images, excellent color.
- A little heavier at 26 ounces but with a slightly wider field. A near
- perfect (IMHO) all-around design. With a cresent moon shining on snow,
- I was stunned by the image brightness, I watched a rabbit in my
- neighbors yard and could see more detail than I ever thought possible.
-
- Now I can start saving for some 15x80's!
-
- Dana Bunner
-