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- From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
- Subject: Re: Averting doom
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.112017.14607@sq.sq.com>
- Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
- References: <1992Dec27.153900.15963@stortek.com> <1992Dec27.204458.28967@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 11:20:17 GMT
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- >>>> Larry Niven, in "A World out of Time", suggested moving a gas giant
- >>>> planet into Earth's orbit a few degrees ahead of the Earth.
- >>> I suspect that the tidal forces would destroy the Earth.
- >> [But] the tidal strain varies as the inverse cube of the distance ...
- > It would be fairly easy to calculate the distance that would be
- > needed to produce a force comperable to that provided by the Moon.
-
- Okay. The planet that Niven used was one of the smaller gas giants,
- i.e., either Uranus or Neptune. I'll do the calculation for Uranus;
- the results will be similar in either case. In some cases the numbers
- shown here were calculated with more significant digits than shown.
-
- Uranus's mass is 8.68e25 kg. The Moon's mass is 7.35e22 kg. Thus
- Uranus outmasses the Moon by a factor of 1180. The cube root of this
- is about 10.6; thus Uranus's tidal effect would be equal to the Moon's
- at 10.6 times the Moon's distance, or 2.5 million miles (4.0 million km).
- Its gravitational force on the Earth, however, would then be larger
- than the Moon's actually is by that same factor of 10.6.
-
- (Its apparent diameter, by the way, would be about 5/8 that of the Moon.
- I don't have a figure for its albedo, but it wouldn't surprise me if it
- gave more light than the Moon does at the same phase.)
-
- To put that force into perspective, the Sun's mass is 1.99e30 kg, or
- 23000 times that of Uranus, and it is at 37 times the above distance.
- Thus Uranus's force would be 37*37/23000 = 1/17 the Sun's force on
- the Earth -- plenty for a gradual change of orbit.
-
-
- > Another question. What would happen to the Moon? Would its orbit be
- > changed so that it is finally captured by Jupiter?
-
- [Where Jupiter comes in is that, in the novel, the Earth was finally
- placed into orbit around Jupiter. That would be a trickier feat than
- just moving it to a different orbit around the Sun, of course.]
-
- Well, it would be attracted along with the Earth, but its orbit would
- certainly be seriously perturbed. In the novel, I believe the Moon
- had already been removed or destroyed through another engineering feat.
-
- This thread might be more at home in rec.arts.sf.science, but as I am
- not reading that newsgroup these days, I won't be the one to move it.
- --
- Mark Brader "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible"
- utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- Lord Kelvin
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