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- From: Leigh Palmer <palmer@sfu.ca>
- Subject: Re: The Hole Story
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.051529.16459@sfu.ca>
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:15:29 GMT
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- In article <STEINLY.92Dec22104345@topaz.ucsc.edu> Steinn Sigurdsson,
- steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Dec22.011638.21749@sfu.ca> Leigh Palmer <palmer@sfu.ca>
- writes:
- >
- > In article <STEINLY.92Dec20193619@topaz.ucsc.edu> Steinn Sigurdsson,
- > steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu writes:
- >
- > >I suppose I should read the paper, but there are exact solution of
- > >plane gravitational waves for GR. They're literal solution of the
- > >Einstein equation.
- >
- > That's interesting. Are gravitational plane waves susceptible to
- > (linear) Fourier decomposition? Do they comprise a spanning set for
- > all gravitational wave solutions? If they are not superposable, how
- > would one generate a gravitational plane wave?
- >
- >Gravitational waves are not in general superposable because they
- >couple to each other - they carry stress-energy. All the exact
- >solutions I know of are ones with special symmetry in vacua, although
- >I only have a passing familiarity with the subject.
-
- That being the case, one cannot infer from the existence of plane wave
- solutions that waves generated by, for example, a binary compact sytem,
- will exist which are solutions of GR. In electrodynamics the existence of
- plane wave solutions implied the existence of many other sorts of
- solutions by Fourier's Theorem, and it seems that a leap has been made of
- a similar sort which is not justified in the case of GR.
-
- Thus we return to the question of whether a binary compact system can
- radiate. It is not immediately obvious to me that it should radiate plane
- waves (indeed that possibility is ruled out because plane waves are
- infinite in extent). Does a radiative solution to GR exist which has a
- symmetry more appropriate to the case of the binary pulsar?
-
- I'd also like to ask again my previous question: how would one generate a
- gravitational plane wave? I have trouble wraping (or warping) my
- imagination to conceive a possible source geometry. I hasten to add that
- I
- can't do it for electromagnetic waves either, but in that case I can
- generate them by decomposition, going to the far-field limit of any
- finite
- radiator.
-
- I will also remind everyone that I do not know GR, but I do see holes in
- arguments made here, perhaps more clearly because of my relative
- ignorance. There may, indeed, be a consensus in the community, but I'm
- old
- enough to have seen several similar situation collapse in the face,
- particularly, of observation. Madame Wu won a Nobel Prize for Lee and
- Yang
- under entirely similar circumstances a couple of weeks after Louis
- Alvarez, my nuclear physics teacher, had explained parity symmetry to us
- in class. He also told us of Lee and Yang's iconoclastic ideas, and in
- the
- same semester gave us the new and diametrically opposite description of
- that aspect of Nature which resulted from the discovery. The correct
- answer on the final examination had changed almost overnight!
-
- Some here think that anyone who would gainsay orthodoxy must be
- dangerously close to being a crackpot. That is not the case. One does
- not have to go back to Galileo to instantiate counterexamples. The
- scientific process is replete with them.
-
- Leigh
-