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- From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
- Newsgroups: sci.astro
- Subject: Re: The Hole Story
- Message-ID: <Dec.22.19.06.54.1992.26010@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 00:06:54 GMT
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- metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
-
- > But even without a black hole, it is an experimentally unsolved problem
- >to learn what would happen if a non-gravitational force moves a mass off its
- >geodesic path. Would the new static field exist at infinity instantly, or
- >after some delay? If instantly, that seems to act like ftl communication.
-
- Merely parroting the usual GR orthodoxy, I would say that if we made
- a small disturbance with a non-gravitational force, we would get a
- small disturbance in the metric, which would propagate at the speed
- of light, as can be derived in the usual linearized gravity
- approximation. Last time we had this flamefest on sci.physics,
- someone compared this behavior to the Coulomb gauge in electrodynamics,
- where the static field is instantaneous but disturbances propagate
- at the speed of light.
-
- >(See the current thread in sci.physics, where it seems to be agreed that this
- >type of ftl communication is not in conflict with observation or experiment.)
-
- I disagree, the thread to which you refer is about a pathological
- variation of special relativity which assumes a preferred frame.
-
- > OTOH if the new field is generated with delay, then there is a
- >discontinuity in the force felt by remote bodies. A test particle continues
- >to "feel" and react to the predicted future geodesic path of a mass for a
- >lighttime interval even after the mass has been moved off that path by a non-
- >gravitational force. Then when the new geodesic path information finally
- >reaches the test particle, the particle begins to react to some future
- >position of the mass. As I said, there is a discontinuity in the action.
- >Either way, something unexpected happens.
-
- I don't think so. In any case it is confusing to talk about the "new
- [static] field" while in the Coulomb gauge. I am going on vacation
- and will not beat this particular horse anymore, though.
-