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- From: stcmille@panix.com (Steve Miller)
- Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
- Subject: Re: Fluvial paradise (was: Which Came First, Agriculture or
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.162613.27911@panix.com>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 16:26:13 GMT
- References: <Bzz16C.IsC@NeoSoft.com> <725618069snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au>
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- In <725618069snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
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- >I think it also must be kept in mind that societies *devolve* as much
- >as they *evolve*. Again, the various economic bases on which people
- >rely for their sustenance are available today as they have been at
- >any other time.
-
- I wonder what "devolve" means in this context? Does it mean return to a
- less intensive lifestyle? If it does, this is difficult to accept.
- There is a "trap" effect in intensification where there are points of no
- return. You can't just go from intensive agricuture to hunting and
- gathering because the carrying capacity of the land under the two
- systems is totally different.
-
- >Further, it is only big cities (known for their invention of linear
- >time) which were unavailable during "prehistoric times". Today it is
- >those big cities in seeking to secure "their" hinterland (in the name
- >of peace) which impose so egregiously on other "backward" economies.
-
- Cities engender different relations of production. The economic "base"
- is transformed.
-
- >What is happening now, as city-based industries decline? The people
- >previously employed there are returning to growing vegetables, aren't
- >they? Doesn't that mean a devolution from an industrial society to a
- >horticultural?
-
- I'll believe this when a significant number of people do this. Right
- now far more people who used to be metal benders are becoming paper
- pushers. The percentage of the population involved in food production
- (as opposed to food preparation) continues to fall.
-
- >That is certainly the word being used in Australia to describe the dual
- >process of urban renewal and rural reconstruction currently underway.
-
- Well, maybe things are different where people live upside down. Why
- don't you all fall off the earth down there, anyway? Do you have glue
- on your shoes?
-
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