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- From: ameres@ithaca.cat.rpi.edu (Eric Ameres)
- Subject: Re: Impact of our hobby on "the pros" (WAS: Re: Jointer vs Planer)
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- Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
- References: <1992Dec17.191838.6651@adobe.com> <10546@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> <1992Dec23.010345.981@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:29:00 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.010345.981@microsoft.com> ericb@microsoft.com (Eric Brown) writes:
- >Having been a pro myself (first non-union, then union, and then some
- >self employed), I, and those with whom I worked usually did not regard with
- >animosity DIYers who worked on projects for themselves. What _does_
- >raise the ire of pros is DIYers who hang out a shingle to try and
- >make some extra money without getting the requisite licenses, insurance,
- >and bonding. The "moonlighter" has an unfair cost advantage, with
- >little or no overhead, and can underbid the established and legal
- >woodworking businesses. And caveat emptor for the person hiring an
- >uninsured tradesperson to work on their property. If this fly-by-night
- >individual makes a serious mistake and causes significant property
- >damage to the client, the DIYer may not have sufficent personal assets
- >to cover the damage (the old "can't get blood out of a turnip" adage
- >applies in this case when there is no insurance or other deep
- >pockets).
- >
- >
- >--
- > Eric
-
- Are we talking about woodworking or carpentry here? I refer to
- woodworking as cabinetry, crafts and furniture (fine and otherwise),
- carpentry refers to rough carpentry (i.e. framing, sheathing, etc.,
- house type stuff).
-
- I am interested and am heading in the direction of starting a small
- woodworking business on the side with the aid of my wife and certainly
- neither of us are licensed, bonded or insured to make furniture,
- crafts or cabinets. I've never heard of such licensing. Now if we
- were to due contracting and remodeling, then...
-
- Right now I'm not competing with anyone. My family is my main
- customer base and we would not otherwise be the types to go out and
- have custom made furniture (maybe go the antique route, but...)
- Certainly I`d eventually like to take on the big boys and sell some
- stuff in the local shops and who knows where it might go from there.
-
- It seems to me that unless I'm going out and giving my craft away for
- free to "the pro's" real, paying customers, I'm not hurting anyone and
- if I am it's there fault for not being more competitive. Even if I
- undercut their prices and steal their customers, that's competition.
- Just because I do it out of my home doesn't mean anything.
-
- Maybe my situation is blurring the line a bit because I'd like to at
- least go semi-pro someday.
-
- In all my endeavors I try to be as self reliant as possible. I've
- done my own plumbing, electrical, heating, rough carpentry, roofing,
- etc. But I did them for myself, and only after lots of research into
- codes, requirements and standard practices. Until I go out and steal
- customers by unfair means (as in the above example shortcutting
- insurance, licensing, bonding, etc.), I think the professional trades
- are getting a little protective. Did you know that in a lot of areas
- plastic pipe (polybutylene rated for 180deg water) is considered not
- up to code primarily because of the lobbying of the plumbing trade?
-
- My bottom line is unless a "professional" can do something I can't or
- the time investment isn't worth it, I'll do it myself. And no, I don't
- mind when people apply the same rules to computer consulting and
- software engineering. If people can write better code cheaper
- themselves, more power to them, I'm a person not a parasite.
-
- Eric.
-
- These are of course my personal opinions and not those of the New York
- State Center for Advanced Technology, nor those of Rensselaer
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- Eric Ameres, Software Engineer ameres@cat.rpi.edu
- New York State Center for Advanced Technology in Automation & Robotics
- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute - CII 8313, Troy, NY 12180-3590
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