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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
- Subject: Re: Guessing at random numbers.
- Date: 27 Dec 1992 10:18:56 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- References: <1992Dec24.015625.3450@csservices.Princeton.EDU>
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- In article <1992Dec24.015625.3450@csservices.Princeton.EDU>, egs@cs.Princeton.EDU (Emin Gun Sirer) writes:
- =Here's a paradoxical (at least to me) puzzle that I could not locate
- =in the FAQ. Enjoy.
- =
- =I pick two numbers, randomly, and tell you one of them. You are supposed
- =to guess whether this is the lower or higher one of the two numbers I
- =picked. Can you come up with a method of guessing that does better than
- =picking the response "low" or "high" randomly (i.e. probability to guess
- =right > .5) ?
- =
- =Nothing is known about my random number generation algorithm. I give you
- =the higher or lower number with equal probability, so trying to find patterns
- =in my behaviour is useless (unless you believe that past coin tosses affect
- =the outcome of future tosses :-).
- =
- =Thanks to Steve Gortler for this mind-twister.
-
- Well, ask a silly question, get a silly answer. Here's the silly answer:
- You've picked a finite number as the first number. Now, the measure of all the
- real numbers greater than the one you picked is infinite, while the measure of
- all the positive reals less than the one you picked is finite. Hence, the
- second number has probability 1 of being greater than the first number.
-
- You see, unless you tell us what distribution you're using, you've got that
- out. And, of course, there's no way to "randomly" pick a number from all the
- positive reals, which is the crux of the paradox. So when you specify "nothing
- is known about my random number generation program," if you're presenting this
- puzzle as it has been presented in the past, you're making a fundamental
- mistake.
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