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- From: Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt)
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- Subject: 5 On Fealty
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:48:08
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- 5 On Fealty
- We can see pretty clearly here that it is -not- up to the Crown to
- decide if a person may or may not be a Master of Arms or a Knight. Such a
- choice is up to the person being offered the Belt.
- But is it "period," to have a Peer that does not swear fealty?
- In the context of medieval legal thought as applied to the SCA, the answer
- seems to be an unqualified "Yes!"
- First of all: look at the oaths that are taken when the Peerages are
- given in Atenveldt:
-
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Knighthood: (N), you stand before us this day having
- indicated your willingness to accept the noble Order of
- Knighthood in the Society for Creative Anachronism. Having
- been adjudged fit for this honor do you (N) swear by all you
- hold sacred and true that you will honor and obey the Crown
- of Atenveldt, honor and defend all ladies and those weaker
- than yourself, give courtesie to your Peers, both Knight,
- and Master of Arms, and Masters and Mistresses of the Laurel
- and Pelican, and conduct yourself in all matters as befits a
- knight, drawing your sword only for just cause and being
- chivalrous to all to the greater glory of yourself and the
- Crown of Atenveldt?
-
- (The King then says:) Then We, (N), by right of arms King of
- Atenveldt, do swear to defend you and your household until
- Death take Us, the World end, or the Crown shall pass from
- Our Hands.
-
- ----------------------------end of quote-----------------------------
-
- It should be noted that the combination of the Knight's Oath and
- the King's response, along with the gift of the Chain, result in a liege-
- fealty contract.
-
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Master of Arms: Place your hands on this, the Great Sword of
- State, and swear by all that you hold sacred and true, that
- you shall conduct yourself in all ways as befits a Peer of
- this Realm, to be at all times an example of Chivalry and
- Courtesie, to give honor to the Crown and the Kingdom, and
- to your Peers, to further your knowledge of the Arts of
- Peace and War, and to aid others in this pursuit. All this
- you should swear, by this Sword and by your honor.
-
- Laurel (Pelican): Place your hands on this, the Great Sword
- of State, and swear by all that you hold sacred and true,
- that you shall henceforth conduct yourself in all ways as
- befits a Peer of this Realm, to be at all times an example
- of Chivalry and Courtesie, to give honor to the Crown and
- the Kingdom, and to your Peers, both Knights and Masters of
- Arms, and Masters and Mistresses of the Pelican (Laurel) to
- further your knowledge of the Arts of Peace and War, and to
- aid others in this pursuit. All this you should swear, by
- this Sword and by your honor.
-
- ----------------------------end of quote-----------------------------
-
- ALL Peers promise to -teach- their Art, and to improve themselves in
- their chosen field. This is a "service" contract prima facie. They take what
- amounts to an -oath of service.- Also, the Peerage cannot even be -offered-
- if the person has not shown obedience to Kingdom Law and respect for the
- Crown:
- (more)
-
-
-
- ... The SCA: A Dream to some, a Knight-mare to others
-
- * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
-