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- From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
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- Subject: Re: Primitive Firearms
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- Date: 24 Dec 92 12:36:13 GMT
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- In article <1hblskINN283@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen) writes:
- >
- >In a previous article, dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) says:
- >
- >>RE: Primitive Firearms
- >>
- >>Golly, has everybody forgotten that Brother Berthold's dire
- >>invention was certainly known in period, since the English used
- >>cannon at the battle of Crecy? And the final clashes in the
- >>Hundred Years' War were settled by cannon -- the final fight in
- >>Normandy, for instance, was won when a couple of French culverins
- >>arrived and started potting the English from beyond bowshot. (The
- >>fight was a little more complicated than that sounds: the English
- >>charged the cannon, the French infantry mixed it with them, and the
- >>whole tangle rolled back onto the English lines. With the archery
- >>thus neutralized or their fire masked, the French cavalry closed
- >>and delivered a decisive charge from melee range.) The first brush
-
- Yep, and the English C-in-C in the battle of Castillon, 1453, Sir John
- Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury, was killed by an arquebus ball.
-
- >>of the War of the Roses was also an exchange of long-range cannon
- >>shots across the flooded Stroudwater (I think it was) before King
- >>Henry VI put in an appearance and York's troops -- who had been
- >>told that Henry was dead and they were enforcing the claim of the
- >>rightful heir -- started to desert.
- >>
- >Not to mention things like the Hussite Wars, which were in period. The
- >Hussites, religious rebels in Central Europe, used firearms extensively
- >from wagon-circle formations like in the Old West. They chose firearms
- >precisely because a peasant recruit could be taught how to use one in a few
- >days, while to make a good man with knightly wweapons, the then theory was
- >that you had to start with his grandfather.
-
- Not to mention the battle of Nagashino, Japan (1580), which soundly put the
- end of the Samurai era. The Takeda samurai were reaped down by the low-born
- ashigaru rascal scum arquebusiers of Nobunaga, who were positioned in three
- ranks beyond a palisade, which the proud Takeda samurai tried vainly storm
- head-on (with disastrous results). The era of the Samurai nobles was gone
- forever.
-
-
-
- ++ Tuomas Viljanen ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do ++
- ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19 ++ not need a military genius like ++
- ++ SF-02720 Espoo FINLAND ++ Edward III. All you need is an ++
- ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like Duke of Alencon. ++
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