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- Subject: SCA Digest V5 #849
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- SCA Digest Mon, 21 Dec 92 Volume 5 : Issue 849
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- Today's Topics:
- Aluminum Armour (was Re: HELP WANTED RE KINGDOM AWARDS)
- Polish Persona and Heraldry
- Scope of the SCA (was Re: Through a looking glass, darkly)
- HELP! name searching.
- 8th century persona
- On the nature of armor....
- The SCA Religion? ( was: Through a looking glass, darkly)
- SCA's Secret Handshake?
- HELP! name searching. (2 msgs)
- Re-joining the SCA as a Bandit
- On the nature of armor....
- Aluminum Armour (was Re: HELP WANTED RE KINGDOM AWARDS)
- Sca geography (was: thro
- Re-joining the SCA as a Bandit
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- Date: 20 Dec 92 09:50:44
- From: Dennis O'Connor <doconnor@sedona.intel.com>
- Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
- Subject: Aluminum Armour (was Re: HELP WANTED RE KINGDOM AWARDS)
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- ddfr@quads.uchicago.edu (david director friedman) writes:
- ] 2. Why would it be better [to use steel instead of aluminum]?
- ] One answer, related to the quote above, is that by using aluminum
- ] instead of steel he runs a serious risk of disseminating false
- ] knowledge.
-
- Soe risk, yes : I'll address each point you raise.
-
- ] What material you use may have a considerable effect
- ] on what you can do with it, how it acts, etc. Part of the fun of
- ] trying to do things more authentically is that the material teaches
- ] you--with the result that you end up knowing more than if you simply
- ] tried to fake it.
-
- This is no doubt true of many projects, but I don't think the
- differences between steel and aluminum or brass (which I've
- seen one Persion lamellar plate using) make mch difference to
- the construction of lamellar, since the plates are just little
- flat peices of metal whith holes in them. Contrast this with
- late-period armour that has fluting and compund curves.
-
- ] Consider the present case. Dennis does not know how thick the real
- ] armor ought to be, and he is never going to learn--at least, not from
- ] this particular project (he might come across the information in his
- ] reading).
-
- Actually, I'm trying hard to find this information out. I'll need
- it if I ever submit the armour to an A&S competition. I'll also
- need evidence that, as I suspect, real lames were forged not cut.
-
- ] If he made the armor from steel, he would come closer (although still
- ] not perfectly close) to learning what that kind of armor is like--at
- ] what thickness it is uncomfortably heavy, whether it stretches or
- ] abrades lacing material, at what thickness it bends easily,
-
- I disagree. If I were to simply cut my lames out of 20 guage hot-rolled
- sheet steel and drill holes in it, still not having a clue as to the
- thickness of the real lames, it would be wrong for me or anyone else
- to assume this armour was close to period armour in weight. This is
- the error we see repeated again and again with mail, which even tho
- period mail was made of iron-alloy just like SCA mail, it was typically
- less than 1/4 as heavy.
-
- If as I assume period iron lames were forged, they could be considerably
- harder and more brittle than hot-rolled steel sheets. Plate armour
- would probably have been anealed to take the brittleness out, but
- lamellar is so easily repaired there's no need to do
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