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- From: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
- Subject: Re: // 5ths & 8ves
- Message-ID: <J1RJwB1w165w@dorsai.com>
- Sender: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
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- References: <1992Dec29.021154.25210@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:13:06 GMT
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- bmtong@cs.cuhk.hk (Tong Bo-Ming) writes:
-
- > idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington) writes:
- >
- > >Wait a minute, you're talking orchestration, whether by the use of
- > >octaves in the piano or in the orchestra. That's a totally different
- > >thing from voice leading.
- > >
- > >Matt's got some good points. Ultimately, anyone who thinks an Alberti
- > >bass never bends with the melody doesn't know the literature :-).
- > >
- >
- > >Jeff Harrington
- > >IdEAL ORDER
- > >idealord@dorsai.com
- >
- > How do we distinguish between doubling and orchestration ?
- >
- > My usual practice is this: if I have more than 4 parts, I allow myself
- > to have some octaves (and sometimes fifths as well). However, for n
- > parts I only allow n-4 parallel octaves. (What do you think about this
- > ?) It is clear that the piece in my original posting does not obey this
- > rule, and my ear tells me that it is not too pleasing to hear. I
- > would seek some 'justification' from you.
- >
- > Once I read the score of a piano piece by Schumann. There are only two
- > parts, but still consecutive octaves.
- >
- > Tong Bo-Ming
-
-
- O.K. when you want to "strengthen" a part by doubling it at the octave
- that is a kind of "orchestration." The voice-leading problems remain the
- same as long as the phrase is orchestrated in toto with octaves. Look at
- the orchestrations in some of the Mozart piano concertos. There are
- doublings in the winds of parts at the two octave distance. This is for
- the production of a new color as is doubling at the octave in general.
- When octaves are produced as a result of bad voice leading they are
- coincidental and sound coincidental - not as part of a colorizing
- process.
-
- Please, if it doesn't sound good - fix it so it does - come on - the ear
- of the composer is the ultimate rule. If you're paying too close
- attention to rules without being aware of the reasons and contexts for
- the rules (as you appear to be doing) you should look at more scores. The
- theory texts are written by hacks (as are the rules) the music is written
- by composers.
-
-
- Jeff Harrington
- IdEAL ORDER
- idealord@dorsai.com
-