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- From: idealord@dorsai.com (Jeff Harrington)
- Subject: Re: Advances in composition
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:22:35 GMT
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- maverick@mahogany.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Vance Maverick) writes:
-
- > In article <1h3v8vINN516@mozz.unh.edu>, dvf@kepler.unh.edu (David V Feldman)
- > |>
- > |> I know that arguing by way of analogies will always raise suspicions,
- > |> but while there is no "single goal" that all scientists can agree on,
- > |> there can be no reasonable objection to the vocabulary of "developments",
- > |> "advances", or even "experiments" and "research" in that discipline,
- > |> and I believe that these words can be applied to the arts with no
- > |> connotation of monism. Basically time goes on, the corpus of music
- > |> grows, the matrix of previously existing musical ideas available to
- > |> a composer constantly grows richer. Some of these ideas may play themselv
- > |> out in a single phrase or maybe a piece, but others will resonate across
- > |> many pieces, perhaps across the work of many composers and musicians,
- > |> perhaps even across the work of composers and musicians with widely
- > |> divergent goals.
- >
- > How can one tell what ideas are in a piece?
- >
- > I'd say, by listening; in which case the "ideas" derive
- > as much from the listening as from the composition. So
- > the "ideas" embodied in the corpus (or canon), and the
- > "contribution" of an individual piece, are not fixed, and
- > "progress" or "advancement", if they happen, are not
- > matters of identifiable qualities.
-
- Absolutely! Time advances. Musical expression changes. Who wants to
- write a piece that sounds like someone else's music. Only a hack and it
- produces only parody.
- >
- > [Look at reception history. I happen to know more about
- > this in literature, but it's true in music too: the
- > properties of pieces change over time. Yeats responded
- > to qualities in Ben Jonson's verse which weren't there
- > during the previous century. Mozart's late G minor
- > symphony has changed affect more than once.]
- >
- We must be careful about expressing our limited understanding of another
- person's perceptions. Wittgenstein? How do we know what someone else
- thinks about a piece of music?
-
- > My point? You started this thread by asking for news of
- > technical advances -- disavowing interest in good/bad
- > beautiful/ugly aesthetic judgments. I don't think these
- > things can be separated....
- >
- > Vance
-
- Listening is the only way to understand music. Whether it is in silence
- with a score or at a performance, listening is music. Personal opinions
- may help our own understanding of pieces new to us but it often taints
- our ability to appreciate new music.
-
-
- Jeff Harrington
- IdEAL ORDER
- idealord@dorsai.com
-