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- From: bill@ssr.hp.com (Bill Chidester)
- Subject: Re: Engine problems
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:28:31 GMT
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- Randy Buckland (rcb@ncsu.edu) wrote:
- : I am currently having engine problems with a repaired Fox 40. The engine
- : was crashed in such a way that it destroyed the carburator and
- : sucked a lot of grit into it. I have replaced the carburator and cleaned
- : the engine out and installed it in a new plane. The problem is that I can't
- : get it to run for more than about 2 seconds. If I squirt fuel into the air
- : intake, the engine will start but does not appear to draw any fuel from the
- : line and just stops after a couple seconds. The lines are clear since with
-
- If you want to really test your pressurized tank, fill it with fuel, pull
- the lines off the carb and muffler -- blow into the pressure tube (be sure
- to point the carb line away from your face!). You should get a fair stream
- of fuel peeing out. If you have to blow hard enough to puff out your cheeks,
- you have a kink in the lines, usually the clunk line or feed line. If you
- only get air out, you've probably reversed the pressure and fuel lines (a
- .50 probability on my models). If you get bubbles, you may have punched a
- hole in the feed line. These holes will only occur at the most inaccessible
- places in the fuel system...
-
- A better test is to pinch the feed line shut, blow up the tank, pinch the
- pressure line shut, wait a few seconds and open the feed line. The fuel
- system should be able to hold the pressure and squirt fuel out; it's pretty
- easy to blow up a plastic tank. From what you describe, you probably have
- a gross fuel feed problem (new installation, no fuel draw).
-
- :
- : 1. The model is built in such a fashion that the tank is fairly low relative
- : to the engine. The engine is side mounted with the fuel intake on top and
- : the intake is level with the top of the tank. Also, the plane is a tail
- : dragger and that places the tank lower than the engine when on the ground.
- : I can't get the tank any higher or the engine any lower, do I need a pump?
- :
-
- If the engine's worked fine before, you probably are getting sufficient
- pressure off of the muffler. It is possible to find points on a muffler
- or pipe that have little/no/reverse pressure, but you indicate the engine
- used to work. You should be able to at least get the thing cranked!
-
- Tank placement is too low if the engine gets too rich when you fly inverted.
- Generally, a pressurized feed system cures most of your ills. It galls
- me to see people go out and pay as much money for a Perry carb and pump as
- they would for a decent engine, turn around and slap 'em on an engine that
- was a dog to begin with. (I can't offer you any reason why you would want
- to do that!)
-
- : 2. The piston and liner got scratched in the crash by the grit and when I
- : squirt WD40 into the cylinder and turn the prop, I get a little escaping
- : gas as the piston approaches the top. As I loosing so much compression that
- : the crankcase suction that is supposed to draw fuel in is failing? How can
- : I test this and what is the solution?
-
- It's harder to totally trash a ringed engine with grit, anyone flying in
- Florida becomes an expert in grit! An ABC will eat itself in a heartbeat
- with a mouthful of sand. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, tear down any engine
- that has screwed itself into the ground! Pull the piston, sleeve and crank
- (mark the sleeve to the housing with an alignment scratch to the notch in
- the sleeve. If there isn't a notch, mark the side of the sleeve too, not
- the top (you'll screw up the head seal). Clean the main bearings, housing,
- internal bits. Check for interesting scratches in the sleeve, wear on the
- rod bearings, main bearing rust, and look for any bits of metal in the
- crankcase (although these usually get sucked into the cylinder, where they
- spend the rest of their time having real fun...). If you have a replacement
- ring and the one you're running is kind of old, replace the ring. If you
- don't have a new ring, resist the temptation to take the old one out, it
- may be brittle from a lean run and you'll break it. Besides, the odds of
- putting it back in upside down follow the same 50-50 rule as tank feed
- problems.
-
- When re-assembling, everything goes back together in exactly the same position
- that it was originally in. The rod and piston can be inadvertently reversed,
- so you may have to mark the back of the rod, note the position of the ring
- notch, etc. If you aren't sure you got everything back together in the right
- orientation, treat it like a new engine and break it in on a test stand. You
- will probably shorten the rod bearing life by putting the rod in backwards,
- the ring will have to take a new set -- something an old ring may not want
- to do. Take care installing the sleeve; watch out for any metal burrs you
- may dislodge and drop into the crankcase housing. I usually lightly
- lubricate the outside of the sleeve, deluding myself into thinking that it
- will be easier to get out, the next time. As you put the engine back
- together, rotate the crank while you listen/feel for grit. If you think
- you've found some, pull everything apart and dribble another can of WD-40
- through the bearings.
-
- :
- : 3. I have set the needle valves according to the Fox literature but am
- : uncertain if they are right. Can someone with a properly adjusted
- : Fox .40 BB engine measure the amount of exposed thread on both needles
- : so I can check my setting? also, does the end of you high speed needle
- : have a bit of metal sticking off of one end or is the end of the needle
- : flat?
- :
-
- They're all different, counting threads is not reliable. Setting up
- according to Duke's instructions is probably the only way to make a Fox
- engine run properly. I've never seen a needle valve with a piece of
- errant metal on it, although you will find them with a flat spot on the
- tip. Needle valves are cheap, when in doubt get a new one (especially
- after an air to ground density transition).
-
- : 4. Is there any parts on the crankshaft directly below the carburator
- : that help the fuel draw that might have been damaged in the crash?
- : If so, how do you remove the bearings and crankshaft to check this?
- : When I cleaned the engine, I could not find a decent way to remove
- : these parts without major force being applied.
-
- You may need a small wheel puller to get the collar off the front of
- the crankshaft. Pull the rear plate off and have a look. You have to
- pull the sleeve to get the rod clear of the crank pin, then pull the
- front collar off to get the crank out the back of the engine. Sleeve
- removal can be fun in a heavily castored engine. You may have to heat
- it in your oven (wear mitts) in order to loosen it. A succession of
- #11 Exacto blades, small screwdrivers, bigger screw drivers, can be used
- to pry the sleeve from its top lip. I'll also use a piece of hardwood
- between the sleeve intake and exhaust ports on top of the piston, using
- the piston to push the sleeve out (be very careful of using too much force,
- you may bend a rod or wrist pin!). Duke may know his engines, but I
- don't use castor anymore!. I won't bother beating a main bearing out of
- an engine unless I have it's replacement. They can usually be cleaned
- in place.
-
- :
- : Any other ideas? or is it time to buy a new engine?
- : --
-
- If you don't feel comfortable tearing down and rebuilding an engine, the
- chief advantage to a Fox engine is their excellent service. Send it back
- and have it overhauled. (This won't fix your fuel feed problem, but you'll
- know the engine is good for another couple of hundred flights).
-
- : Randy Buckland "It's hard to work
- : North Carolina State University in a group when you're
- : randy_buckland@ncsu.edu (919) 515-5491 omnipotent" -- Q
-
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- Bill Chidester KE4WS
- bill@c3177208.ssr.hp.com
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