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- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Path: sparky!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!bobsarv
- From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
- Subject: Re: Thai kickboxing
- Message-ID: <1993Jan03.030446.1810@microsoft.com>
- Date: 03 Jan 93 03:04:46 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corp.
- References: <MARY.93Jan1145951@martinique.Cayman.COM> <1992Dec27.035210.23364@microsoft.com> <1992Dec31.024754.25064@microsoft.com><MARY.92Dec31095109@martinique.Cayman.COM><1993Jan01.075416.1570@wisdom.bubble.org>
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- (mary)
- >Please, if you're going to get inebriated and belligerent, don't blame
- >a martial art because it doesn't bail you out.
-
-
- / I think (hope) what Bob was referring to was the likelyhood that he would
- / be attacked in a place and situation where the attacker had been drinking.
- / Since most of us only find ourselves in such places if >we're< drinking,
- / and since those kinds of altercations usually happen later in the night,
- / it's a good bet that the defender is not completely sober...
-
-
- Exactly my point. Thank you.
-
-
-
- /(mary)
- /I'm sure that's what he was referring to as well.
-
- Sure didn't sound that way to me. Nor to this other gent, obviously.
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- /(mary)
- /My point was that drinking messes you up, to a greater or lesser degree.
- /If you drink, to be on the safe side, you should assume that it will have
- /some negative effect on just about anything you do. It will, in general,
- /assist you in being loud, obnoxious, belligerent, and stupid, but that's
- /about it.
-
- I'm sorry; this is pure horeshit. People (and myself included) drink
- 3 or 4 beers without turning into uncontrollable gamecocks trying to tear
- each other apart. It may make *you* loud, obnoxious, belligerent and
- stupid, but that's no reason to assume that all people have the same
- reaction. The effects of alcohol vary from person to person. Some
- people are assholes; some get _very_ friendly, others just get sleepy
- or cry a lot (extreme drunkenness, we're talking about here). But the
- point is that you seem to think that alcohol is some kind of drug
- that turns normally rational people into hatchet-wielding maniacs.
-
- And, that which you have decided to pooh-pooh (drinking a few beers) is a
- legitimate form of relaxation for other people. Lighten up and don't be so
- judgemental on other people's fun; I'm sure I could find several
- distasteful habits of yours.
-
-
-
- /(mary)
- /Going out and getting drunk, especially in a rowdy bar or nasty part of
- /town, is a little like bungee jumping.
-
- The only person who mentioned "rowdy bar" or "nasty part of town" is _you_.
- Getting robbed or rolled is pretty damned common today; in any metropolitan
- area, you run a chance of an encounter like this.
-
- The problem is that you never know who else is drinking in the bar, what
- they have on their minds, or how many they've had. Nor do you have control
- over who is walking the streets on the same night that you happen to be
- out. You can't account for all random variables.
-
- Sometimes trouble comes looking for YOU, despite your best efforts.
-
-
-
- /(mary)
- /You're engaging in a risky behavior that's completely optional. Nobody is
- /making you do it.
-
- And you're bordering on paranoia.
-
- If you want to stay at home, safe behind your door, that's fine.
-
- But I am not going to let fear of the boogieman keep me at home at night.
- I won't go charging into gang turf either; but I see no reason why I
- should avoid a few beers after work with my friends, or go dancing on
- Friday night just because _you_ think it's "risky behavior".
-
-
- (mary)
- /Some people decide they want to do it anyway, for the rush or the thrill or
- /the exquisite experience of puking against the side of someone's Camaro
- /afterwards.
-
- You seem to lean on extremes really heavily; extremes don't prove anything
- about the average person, Mary.
-
-
-
- /(mary, re: spinning heel kick in a parking lot)
- /That's not the use they were intended for, and it's not why they were taught
- /to you. If you insist in trying to use them in an inappropriate situation,
- /you shouldn't blame them for not working.
-
- "Insist"?
-
- You really have an attitude problem. As I pointed out, some people
- would like to know that in an unexpected situation of danger, their
- particular training would be valuable.
-
- As for "inappropriate situation"; well, next time I'll have to pick the
- time of my mugging a little better. How stupid of me to ask to be mugged on
- gravel; I should have known that was inappropriate.
-
-
-
- /(mary)
- /Personally, I don't have a lot of respect for people who expect a
- /martial art to save them from the consequences of their own stupidity
- /(and I am not saying that Bob falls into that category, at all).
-
-
- You aren't saying it *now*, because someone pointed it out to you and
- called you on it.
-
- It is _exactly_ what you were saying in your first post, however.
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