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- From: todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Re: Thai kickboxing
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.194931.3472@reed.edu>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 19:49:31 GMT
- Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec29.194931.3472
- References: <1992Dec27.035210.23364@microsoft.com>
- Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
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- In article <1992Dec27.035210.23364@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
- [Friend suggests muay thai as just the baddest, nastiest martial art
- on the face of the civilized Earth and parts of West Texas]
-
- >1. Is this true, or is it just the conceit that each discipline seems to
- >have for itself? I haven't been to any tournaments where thai kickboxing
- >was featured, so I can't say for sure.
- >2. If it is true, then why does anyone else bother to study other
- >disciplines? I mean, what is the point?
- >3. Does it operate on the poomseh/kata training principle, or is thai
- >kickboxing more like american judo, where there is less emphasis on the
- >traditional forms?
-
- I am not a great Thai boxer, just an enthusiastic student. I have studied
- other arts, though, so I have some basis for comparison.
-
- Muay Thai is a very worthwhile art to study. The physical conditioning you get
- is second to none and equalled by few. There are not many techniques, but they
- are very street effective, fast, powerful, and simple. Muay Thai also has a
- steep learning curve; you can pick up the fundamentals quickly and get some
- self-defense skills in a relatively short time [my wife may be teaching a
- self-defense course soon and plans to make Muay Thai training the core of the
- curriculum]. Of course you then spend the rest of your life perfecting what
- you learned in the first year.
-
- Muay Thai training methods develop several important attributes effectively.
- Much of the training centers around the Thai pads, heavy bags/pads strapped
- onto the forearms of your training partner. You punch, kick, knee, and elbow
- the pads in response to and while defending yourself from your partner. I have
- found that the training keeps me on my toes, develops stamina and the ability
- to hit hard in a dynamic fashion, more like a fight than other training
- methods I have encountered. I have also found that the things I hit with
- (knees, elbows, shins, hands) have gotten good conditioning without being
- damaged like they were by the makiwara, and my ability to fight aggressively
- has improved markedly.
-
- Forms, to the best of my knowledge, are not part of Thai boxing training.
- Combinations, yes. Hours practicing the combinations, yes. Kata-like forms,
- no. This is not just American laziness. Thais in Thailand practice much the
- same way.
-
- I have gone on for some time about the virtues of Muay Thai _training_ and
- have said very little about the _sparring_. That is because there is very
- little (or no) sparring unless you actually get into the ring. The primary
- weapons, knees, elbows, and that god-awful Thai round kick are impossible to
- spar safely, and students who spar get badly hurt. If you do get into the
- ring professionally, then I don't know what to tell you. It's a nasty place,
- and a few dozen boxers get killed every year in Thailand (usually due to
- internal bleeding from the knee and elbow). I have a quota of brain cells I'm
- willing to lose and plan to lose most of them to alchohol, so no professional
- fights for me, thanks.
-
- Other respondents have said that Thai boxing is crude and primitive and that
- you can only practice it until you are about 25. With all due respect, I must
- say that they are full of little round things like goats leave. There are very
- few techniques in Muay Thai, but the ways they can be strung together are
- infinite and very sophisticated, and you can, as I said before, spend a
- lifetime perfecting what you learn. You can also continue training for
- decades. Master Chai has at least one student in her late sixties. Again, if
- you are crazy enough to step fight professionally your body will get use up
- pretty quickly, say two or three years, but if it is the training you want
- you can do that for as long as you want.
-
- One writer mentions Benny Urquidez and says that Mr. Urquidez has won a lot
- of fights against Thai boxers. True enough, but Mr. Urquidez is a superior
- fighter by any measure. He could probably beat almost anyone in a fight. It
- does not mean that other arts are no good.
-
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