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- From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
- Subject: Re: Discussing technique
- Sender: bowman@math.utah.edu (Pieter Bowman)
- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:24:51 GMT
- References: <1992Dec18.024724.19987@psych.psy.uq.oz.au>
- In-Reply-To: campbell@psych.psy.uq.oz.au's message of Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02: 47:24 GMT
- Organization: University of Utah
- Message-ID: <JON.92Dec18112451@zeus.med.utah.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec18.024724.19987@psych.psy.uq.oz.au> campbell@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Campbell Dickson) writes:
-
- > From: taddiken@ms.uky.edu (scott taddiken)
- > Summary: One handed kouchi gari.
-
- [stuff deleted]
-
- A typical example of why you don't see detailed technical discussion.
-
- Virtually all the technical discussion centres around Japanese MAs
- I'm sure this is because they have a highly elaborated terminology which
- enables/encourages the initiates to talk technique, and this also seems to
- suit the American mind set - plenty of posters to this group exhibit an
- highly mechanistic view of the body and its MA applications -
- witness the physiological/anatomical jargon which they like to use.
-
- I find this depressingly reductionist, but the significant thing is that
- for all the apparent precision, it doesn't really address a general MA
- audience - you still have to have _experience_ of what is being alluded to
- to appreciate the discussion.
-
- Unless it's overloaded with masses of specialised connotations, language
- is just hopeless for conveying complex movement. So at present technical
- stuff is really inappropriate for discussion on the net,
-
- Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but it seems like your argument
- boils down to this:
-
- (1) If an article is not understood by everyone, it is not appropriate
- for discussion "on the net" (I assume you mean "in this newsgroup").
-
- (2) Technical discussions use terms that not everyone understands.
-
- (3) Therefore, technical discussions are not appropriate in this
- newsgroup.
-
- In truth, we cannot discuss anything at any level unless we have some
- shared experiences. I don't believe this means we need to cater to
- the lowest common denominator in every discussion. Naturally, only a
- select group of people will read, understand, or respond to any given
- article. And, naturally, discussions that appeal to only a very few
- people will tend to die out quickly.
-
- You also seem to be implying that technical discussions somehow deny
- the living aspect of the art. That is not true. Technical terms are
- chosen because they are objective, and relate the outward appearance
- of a technique in a fairly unambiguous way. There is always the
- implication that we must learn the subjective, personal aspect for
- ourselves. I doubt that anyone here believes that all aspects of an
- art can be conveyed via nntp. Even the very best teacher in the world
- cannot move your arms and legs for you.
-
- You are correct that technical terms cannot relate all aspects of
- martial arts practice, and cannot be used to teach novices. Does this
- render them worthless, or inappropriate? Such terms can be used to
- relate specific applications of a technique, and variations upon the
- technique. Those who do not understand the terms are free to seek out
- the knowledge if they are sufficiently motivated.
-
- --
- jonathan byrd
- jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
-