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- From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Re: More boring ki/qi/chi & science
- Message-ID: <75901@apple.apple.COM>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 19:47:25 GMT
- References: <1992Dec22.150648.13174@srg.srg.af.mil> <75879@apple.apple.COM> <1992Dec23.145317.4714@srg.srg.af.mil>
- Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
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- In article <1992Dec23.145317.4714@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
- >In article <75879@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
- >>In the case of qi I have yet to see a theory of qi that made any
- >>predictions that could be confirmed or disconfirmed. In terms
- >>of philosophy of science that means that so far there is nothing
- >>to investigate.
- >
- > In my experience, I have seen lots of examples of qi based theories
- >with predictive qualities. What do you think underlies Eastern concepts of
- >diet & medicine?
- > Why have you overlooked such an obvious model?
-
- I haven't overlooked it; it isn't a scientific model (in fact, neither
- is much of Western medicine).
-
- > I have no experience with *ANY* strange mystical powers which many
- >people seem to associate with qi. But I have grown up an environment where qi
- >was the model for understanding health and diet - i.e. if you feel like THIS,
- >then this class of foods will help the condition, while THAT class of foods
- >will make it worse. The model was pretty consistently accurate.
-
- I've had the same experience; I am not arguing that qi theories
- are useless or wrong.
-
- >>thing as qi, but it does mean that I'm not going to complain
- >>about science being blinkered or prejudiced because it doesn't
- >
- > You see, you still don't see the focal point of my arguments. You are
- >still defending this abstract ideal of SCIENCE, when my argument rests on how
- >you can't seperate science from the scientists, and that scientists (like
- >other people) suffer from bias, but they can use the concepts and language of
- >science to mask their own biases.
-
- I am doing no such thing, and am making no attempt to separate
- science from the people who do it. I am only saying something analogous
- to saying that if you want to play badminton then you had better
- use rackets and a badminton bird, not polo ponies and a puck.
-