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- From: kevin@pages.com (Kevin Sven Berg)
- Subject: Re: More ki/qi/chi & science
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.225250.980@pages.com>
- Sender: kevin@pages.com
- Organization: Banzai Research Institute
- References: <1h53slINN65m@usenet.pa.dec.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:52:50 GMT
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- In article <1h53slINN65m@usenet.pa.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I.
- Stark) writes:
- >
- > Case in point, there is a rich tradition of philosophers on the European
- > continent (especially France and Germany) who would have no problem with the
- > notion of Ki, and even some (though not all) who also would support the value
- > of scientific inquiry. The failure of Ki to be the dominant topic of
- > interest in scientific journals in most fields is hardly a matter
- > of ideological oversight. Similar concepts have arisen many, many times
- > in different forms over time. Those that have been discredited and
- > remain so were mostly discredited on specifics, not on general principle.
- >
-
- What may be of interest to many in this newsgroup, is where to start
- looking for such references. Perhaps some of the European readers can
- be of some assistance here. (???)
-
- > As a thought exercise, list the phenomena associated with Ki and how they are
- > produced, and express what exactly the Ki hypothesis is in mathematical terms
- > and then try to devise experiments to test aspects of the Ki hypothesis
- > against competing ones.
-
- This action sounds promising. At least level headed :-) From the descriptions
- mentioned within rec.MA it sounds like we have several.
-
- > I suspect that at the point of the description, you'll discover why
- > this concept doesn't appear intact in many technical journals. They
- > don't organize their experience in the same manner as the traditional
- > Chinese healer.
-
- Is this due to the language of description/manipulation (Mathematics)?
- The experiential sense is not present in Mathematics, whereas the
- Chinese healer is at least sympathetic to a degree of mysticism
- (knowledge via direct subjective experience); otherwise s/he practices
- by prior example.
-
- > The best you can do is test for anomalies and then try to put a
- > new hypothesis together in properly precise mathematical terms to explain
- > them. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point it might resemble Ki
- > in many ways, and not by coincidence. ;-)
- >
-
- I wonder what it would take for the opposite to be true: could one
- come to a mystical understanding of reality (in this case ki)
- through Mathematics. I suppose that one's even more weird than puting
- chi on a scale...
-
- Waiter, Check please...
-
- Kevin
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