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- From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
- Subject: Re: stranglehold
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.232440.2805@craycos.com>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 23:24:40 GMT
- References: <1992Dec18.150142.6264@desire.wright.edu> <4412@unisql.UUCP> <4417@unisql.UUCP>
- Organization: Cray Computer Corporation
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- In article <4417@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
- >In article <4412@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
- >>>As often as I've this particular choke done to me, the only thing I've found
- >>>that is halfway reliable is turning your head and dropping your chin. But if
- >
- > I've got another question: if you can hit someone hard enough
- >to knock them off balance and there's enough opportunity to get both
- >hands around their neck AND accurately position your thumbs for this
- >attack, why would you use it and not just a knuckle punch to the trachea?
- >To show off? :-)
-
- No, you do it because you're stupid. Big, stupid people can be pretty
- dangerous. They kill people all the time. You are just as dead if you've
- been killed by a stupid opponent as by a smart one.
-
- The times I've seen folks knock their victims down this way, they've been
- off-balance themselves and have knocked their (usually smaller) victims down
- by the simple expedient of falling on top of them. This, I suppose, provides
- the enterprising judoka with an opportunity for tomoe-nage (the infamous
- "Dick Tracy throw").
-
- > Note that Mary's (?) defense, the sternum strike, also fails
- >against this attack, since if you're that off balance you can't
- >strike. This sounds like one of those questions you hear all the
- >time: "What do you do if...", like the bear-hug one making the rounds
- >now to which the answre is "Don't let it happen, Glasshopper".
-
- Yup.
-
- >Although if it happened to me I'd attack one of the thumbs to break
- >the grip - even if I'm off balance and falling I can find my own neck
- >with my hands...
-
- I think I'd also be interested in not having the scumbag's head hit me in
- the face on impact. Just a thought...
-
- > I'm going to rephrase my original assertion and throw the new one
- >out to be shot down:
- >
- > If someone attacks with the "bad-movie-choke" grip and doesn't
- >destroy your balance then you should have plenty of time to counter even
- >if she attacks your trachea with her thumbs.
-
- Depends on relative size and strength. I don't expect to be attacked this
- way, but judging from the women I've known who've been physically
- abused it's a pretty frequent method of attack in this case. Against
- someone who outweighs you by 70% (say, a 190 lb man attacking a 110lb
- woman), there may not be very much time at all - especially since
- the difference in upper-body strength may be even greater than the
- difference in overall body mass.
-
- Having said that,
- I think there's a lot of merit to (borrowing an escrima/kali metaphor)
- "defanging the snake" in this case by attacking the the thumbs/fingers -
- simply because that may be the only target available. Against a large
- enough opponent, you may be too far away or too unbalanced to hit much
- of anything else.
-
- > Does this technique have a name, by the way?
-
-
- Gee, how about "Baka-jime" ;-)
-
- Steve
-