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- From: ketchum@gandalf.network.com (Bret Ketchum)
- Subject: Re: Wolves! They're back?
- Organization: Network Systems Corp.
- Date: 31 Dec 92 10:11:42 CST
- Approved: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.101142.3056@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
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- Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
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- cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (V) writes:
- >Matt Rein writes:
- >>BTW, we hunt deer in and out of wolf country here in MN. The hunting is
- >>the same in both places as far as I can tell.
-
- > I have to disagree with that. This last season some wolves moved into
- > one of our hunting areas in Northern Minnesota. We saw 10 deer on
- > opening day, 2 deer and a set of wolf tracks on Sunday morning (BTW
- > one of the deer was running from a swamp for no apparent reason??),
- > more wolf tracks on Monday and nary a deer for the rest of the season.
- > Fortunately, we have other land to hunt and we filled up. The other
- > hunters we know who stayed went 1 for 6.
-
- Gee, this year we (two hunters) saw 3 deer in as many hours opening
- morning. The following day nothing, absolutely nothing. But this can't be
- blamed on wolves as there is a game refuge 2 miles away. Maybe there is
- a more logical (read less stereotypical) explanation.
- I've seen deer poke out from a small cedar swamp while a "hunter"
- waddled around the other side just 30 yards away. Still brings on the grins
- and giggles.
-
- > People lose dogs there to wolves all the time. One of the
- > people I know lost an Irish Setter and all they found was blood and
- > red fur. He bought a huge Great Pyrenees (sp) and it was shredded the
- > same year. Then he bought an Irish Wolfhound and his only problem was
- > keeping it in the yard. w He was afraid it would get ganged up on in
- > the woods.
-
- All of the stories I have any personal knowledge of involved
- dogs that ran. Now wolves are territorial, will chase off other
- wolves and a dog don't look unlike another wolf.
-
- > Wolves do kill just to kill. We found a dead doe on a lake shore with
- > one fawn about 100 yards out and a second fawn about 300 yards out.
- > Their legs and throut were pretty ripped up but not much was eaten.
- > We found a buck that had been hampered by deep snow practically
- > skinned alive with nothing significant missing.
-
- The only other time I have heard a story like this was when a
- couple of us were snow shoeing back to a "hidden" lake for a little
- ice fishing and were tagging up with a CC ski trail when we happened
- upon a couple that were resting. We stopped to yak a little and they
- told us that there was a ripped up carcass further up the trail about
- a K. We had to travel that way (along the side of the trail - well off
- the track; I CC ski also) so we stomped on a little further until we
- found the "ripped up carcass". The carcass was an old doe with
- virtually nothing left of her teeth and was ripped up by all the
- little critters that run in the woods - including loose dogs. There
- wasn't a wolf print for 50 yards (thats as far as we bothered to
- look). And before anyone asks, these dogs were hunters as in the deep
- snow you could just make out the web between the toes.
-
- > I was told by the logger that built my dad's house that a pack of 5
- > wolves will kill about 25 deer a week when the snow is deep and they
- > are herded up. Who knows if it's an accurate. He was a real wolf
- > hater. Perhaps he had cause?
-
- Now we get to the meat of the story and the reason I bother
- to post at all. This kind of "information" is the same basic stuff
- used on the general public that may eventually take away my right
- to hunt and fish. And I get really angry when this stuff comes from
- somebody that I might meet in the woods. But then he regains his
- senses and proceeds:
-
- > Anyway, I think there's room for both of us as long as wolves are
- > managed like any other animal. There are certainly enough deer. If
- > the govt wants to get involved they ought to be prepared to pay
- > ranchers for lost livestock. They ought to introduce wolves in New
- > Jersey. 8>) At least deer killed in the wild aren't dumped in a
- > landfill.
- >
- >Just my few bits worth on a favorite subject.
- >
- >Craig
- >
- >I own guns, I hunt, I drive a motorcycle, I believe there is a God.
- >I expect my freedom to do those things will disappear in that order.
-
- I own guns, hunt, haven't riden a motorcycle in oh say 10 years
- and if a little of the misinformation that floats around high above our
- heads is grounded we may keep our, as well as our children's right to hunt
- and fish.
-
- Bret
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