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- From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Black-powder, Pyrodex or ?
- Message-ID: <viking.726029899@vincent2.iastate.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 03:38:27 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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- Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu
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- dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) writes:
-
- #I made one mistake in buying my Ruger "Old Army" cap & ball revolver:
- #I got blue steel rather than stainless. Now every time I take it out
- #it has to be cleaned scrupulously or severe rusting will be my reward.
-
- It happens with all caps, all powders (save smokeless, and if
- you use that you forfeit your right hand and possibly your right eye
- if you load it too hot). It can be done -- my grandfather has worked
- out a fairly proper load for it. On the other hand, he doesn't
- figure he'll live another year anyway. How long you plan on shooting?
- BTW: according to his notes, as I read them, 1.75 grains of powder felt
- pretty hot. WARNING: this is a guesstimate only! His measurements are
- based on the volume level of the powder measure, and these may have
- been fired in a standard Kentucky pistol. I give you this so you know
- that 1.75 grains of smokeless is hot, while I pack 30 or 32 grains of
- Pyrodex in my Old Army. Think about this ratio before you experiment.
- He didn't mention which smokeless powder he was using, so it may have
- been rifle powder too for that matter. And no, I won't call him and
- find out what he has used -- I won't take the blame if he's wrong in
- your gun, and I doubt he wants to either. Just be careful if you
- choose to try it. Better yet, purchase a different gun (I know of
- an old man who'd like to have yours).
-
- #[MODERATOR: I don't think I'd recommend throwing in any Unique ... I
- #have no experiences along those lines, but it doesn't sound prudent to
- #me. For what its worth. Anyway, I just want to add a request that
- #those of you who answer Donald's post might also comment in general on
- #the interchangeability of black powder and pyrodex. Santa Claus brought
- #a reproduction 1851 navy colt to the magnum household, and your humble
- #moderator will be playing with coal burners for the first time... ]
-
- Pyrodex comes in two flavors, R and P. R is rifle, P is pistol.
- Both are to be substituted *volume-for-volume* with black powder. The
- Pyrodex is 20% lighter than black powder, and the P version may be used
- in rifles by reducing your load by 10%. Use the hottest caps you can
- find. I like the CCI caps. I also opened up the nipples on my Old
- Army a bit with a Dremel and drill bit. This caused fewer misfires, but
- the back-blast from the nipple did cock the hammer for me a couple
- times. I decided hotter caps were the safer bet, hence the CCI. The
- CVA primers, if available, seemed even better still.
-
- Any kind of black powder or Pyrodex will cause rusting in short
- order. I use Hoppe's #9 to clean it (soak the cylinder in really
- hot water for a few minutes first -- it loosens things up a lot), and
- then give it a spray of WD-40 to remove any moisture. The next day,
- take it out and look it over. I bet you missed a spot or two. Get
- those spots, then coat her with gun oil and you'll be fine.
-
- If you're really in a hurry, swab it with Hoppe's, then drench
- it with gun oil. That will keep it from rusting so easily, but this
- isn't for long-term storage. Also, Pyrodex should not be kept in the
- gun if you load it before storing it, as it seems a bit more corrossive
- before it's fired than black powder. I did a cold-nickel plate on my
- barrel and hammer (and no, I still haven't found the product I used
- for this), and it has kept rust down to a minimum. Should your bluing
- be wearing thin, this is a fairly inexpensive option.
-
- < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
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