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- From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: inside turning brass
- Message-ID: <Bzo3IK.K22@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 18:45:44 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
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- Approved: gun-control@cs.umd.edu
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- In article <1992Dec22.015822.18370@u.washington.edu>, toby@stein.u.washington.edu (Toby Bradshaw) writes:
- #In article <BzMFsu.Fnx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini) writes:
- ##I've got this barrel in a wild cat 6mm-284. My problem is that the
- ##neck thickness variation is 0.008-0.012.
- #
- #Are we talking just thickness variation or neck wall runout (out-of-
- #round)? If the necks are round, but vary in thickness, you can
-
- Both problems, mostly thickness variation.
-
- #outside neck turn or inside neck ream. Outside neck turning
- #is preferred by benchresters for most purposes (I just turned
- #60 necks for my 6PPC; every time I think about neck turning
- #for a hunting rifle I remind myself how much I hate brass prep).
- #If you have 8-12 thou runout, the brass is junk. It happens, though.
- #
-
-
- I do outside neck turn them, currently I turn them,
- expand to 30 cal, turn again, expand to 35 cal, turn again,
- and then in several stages neck to 6mm. the expansion
- and turning is needed, as the shoulder also has this large
- variation in thickness.
-
-
- ##Precision shooting claims
- ##that thickness variation only gets worse as one gets closer to the
- ##case head. I've thought of necking the brass up to basic size (ie
- ##making it a straight cylinder) and then forcing it into a
- ##die, and then inside turning it to a consistant diameter all the way
- ##to the head. Does anyone do anything like this to match brass?
- #
- #Yes, the technical term is "masochist" :)
- #
-
- Yes, I know. I've preped distroyed about 25 cases trying to
- find the minimal number of steps that needed to be done, and
- the above is it. I do _not_ want to have to do even as
- much as I currently do.
-
- #I bet it would be cheaper to find some good brass in the
- #big 6mm of your choice and have your rifle rechambered for
- #it than bore out existing cases and re-form them to 6/284.
-
- Unfortunatly, 6/284 is the bigist case that will work
- on a standard .470 case head size. I guess I could
- cut the belt off, and cut the head on magnum cases to
- .470, etc. . . ;( [at this point it's not even funny]
-
-
- My gunsmith kept recommending a 6mmrem improved, and I kick
- myself every time I think about it.
-
- #You could take a ball mike to the local gun store and check
- #out the 284 brass they have.
-
- I've done that. Every piece of brass I've checked at gun
- shows has the same problem.
-
- However someone on the net has offered to find me some
- good brass, as he has a friend with a 6/284 who doesn't
- have the same problem. I've heard that the brass factory loaded
- ammo has normal thickness variation. Are there any 284 shooters
- out there that would want to unload some of their once fired
- brass?
-
- # _Anything_ but what you
- #have outlined would be cheaper. I recently bought some
- #..270 brass (happened to be Winchester) for my Dad's rifle
- #and the worst case had less than .002 runout at the neck, and
- #all the cases were within 2 grains of being the same weight.
-
- Weight variation on the stuff I have is +-~15 grains,
- and the distrobution is very non-gaussian. ...
- I think I just have an exceptionally bad lot of brass.
-
- #Commercial brass, at least some of it, is pretty damn good
- #right off the shelf. The Remington .308 benchrest case could
- #be used for a checkweight on a balance if the stuff I looked
- #at is any guide. Makes me wonder why I pay $1 apiece for PPC brass.
- #
- ##The implication in some of the articles/letters in the Best of...
- ##was that something like what I describe above is done.
- #
- #That makes benchrest machinists/shooters even crazier than
- #the typical Usenet reader ... scary :)
-
-
- That's what I thought...
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