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- From: peterca@ento.csiro.au
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- Subject: CD tweaks
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:17:46 EST
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- I have been doing a series of modifications to the analogue stage of my
- marantz CD60SE recently. This is a standard 16*4 Phillips chip set but is
- the "Special Edition" version of the CD60. I also listened to the standard
- version and they were very different with the standard version being thin
- and harsh sounding with less detail. I bought the workshop manual for the
- CD60 and as far as I can tell the differences between the two is the
- extensive use of Elna cerafine electrolytics for power supply decoupling
- next to most chips and a pair used back to back for output coupling. The
- analogue filter stage has a curious mixture of discrete and surface mount
- resistors but the caps are Phillips polypropylenes. Deemphasis is switched
- with a fet.
- My first change was very conventional. I removed the NE5534 dual opamps
- and replaced them with AD712s (A$2.30 ea). This change was assessed double
- blind by changing one channel (but I didn't know which) then getting a
- friend to decided which channel was better and why. We had exchanged
- impressions and were in fair agreement. Then the circuit was traced and we
- found the changed channel was the prefered one. Essentially the change
- could be described as more detail but slightly darker sound and less tizzy.
-
- The second change was to replace the AD712s with AD827s (~A$9.50 ea). This
- gave a smaller, further improvement in detail and restored the original
- tonal balance. At this point I was convinced that any noticable improvement
- was good value at under ~A$20 (~US$15). For convienience the original
- opamp was replaced by a turned pin gold plated socket which made trying
- different opamps easy. For further opamp improvement I expect you would
- have to use single opamps with extra decoupling caps for each but this
- could still be mounted on a component header to make for easy and
- reversible changes. I haven't tried this however.
- All the above is fairly conventional and not at all original. The third
- change was more radical and was an original idea (though someone else most
- likely has thought of it before me). Basically my thoughts were as
- follows: Current output DACs like the TDA1541A don't like to see a voltage
- on their output and ideally would like to see a very low impedance to
- ground. The ideal current to voltage converter would otherwise be just a
- resistor which would produce a voltage across it proportional to the
- current. (I read that in an application note for an AD opamp recommended
- for current to voltage conversion.) I then wondered what impedance opamp
- I/V converters present to DACs in usual applications and was told by a
- friend that it is generally 50ohms to several kiloohms. [however I have
- also been told an opamp set up for I/V conversion presents a virtual earth
- to the DAC as its output fedback works to keep its inverting input (DAC
- connection) at earth potential -so I'm not sure which is correct] These
- presumably result in a voltage appearing on the output of the DAC so I
- thought what if I use a resistor which is smaller than 50 ohms. This
- should be better but for one problem: as the resistor gets smaller the
- voltage across it for a given current gets smaller but the DAC is happier.
- The small voltage will need to be amplified and if it is too small noise
- becomes a problem. My friend did a calculation for the noise figures of
- the AD797: one could use a 10 ohm resistor for a 2mA peak current (-> 20mV)
- amplified to 2V out and still get 100dB SNR. If the resistor is bypassed
- with a capacitor the voltage across will be deterined at low frequency by
- the resistor but at high frequencies will be less and less with increasing
- frequency. This appealed to me because the ultrasonic output of the DAC
- need not even enter the first analogue device and so its performance at
- >audio frequencies would be of less consequence. Also I could shunt the sampling frequency to earth with a series inductor-capacitor.
- The result of this is a 27 ohm resitor across the output of the DAC
- conveniently mounted on a component header. The value of the resistor was
- obtained by trial and error to match the output volume (with the gain stage
- below) to that of my phono stage. Across this is about 133nF of
- capacitance made of a mix of polyesters and polystyrenes I happened to
- have. My calculations say this gives the same cutoff frequency as was in
- the player originaly and a 6db/octave slope. I also have 1mH-820pF series
- circuit across the resistor for the notch at 4x44.1kHz (the inductor has
- 3ohm DC resistance so it is not a deep notch). Also across the resistor is
- a flying lead out of the player to a separate gain stage. This gain stage
- is followed by an RC filter to give a steeper slope to the filter at higher
- frequencies and the notch again, this time much deeper. This then sees the
- 100Kohm vol control of my preamp. I was able to leave the original circuit
- of the player intact with this arrangement which will be useful for later
- sale of the player or return to the original while doing further mods to
- the outboard gain stage.
- The gain stage is a single 12AT7 valve/per channel used as a shunt
- regulated push pull (SRPP) circuit which is class A, linear and uses no
- conventional feedback. Listening tests indicate that the noise of this
- circuit is low enough to not cause any problem. It is also satisfying that
- this stage is essentially the same as the second gain stage of my phono amp
- which makes any CD/LP comparisons a bit fairer. Subjectively the sound has
- moved closer to my turntable but still not as good. It seems more open and
- detailed, less tizzy and generally more emotionally involving with this
- circuit compared with any of the opamps in the original circuit. The tonal
- balance is much the same as original -only the AD712 seemed to change this.
- It also is nice that it compliments the rest of my system which is a SRPP
- valve phono amp and line amp and a pair of Leak TL12 valve power amps (much
- modified) driving much modifed Allison One speakers. (The turntable is a
- LinnLP12/Ittok/ortophon MC3000 with T3000 transformer to stepup to MM
- level) For the listening tests I also used a large home made mosfet amp
- (AEM6000) and a pair of Magnepan Typanis which were on loan.
- The circuit lacks either the deemphasis circuit or output muting. So far I
- havn't encountered a disc with an obvious need for deemphasis and I
- understand they are rare but I haven't looked far yet. Changing tracks etc
- does not produce any clicks or thumps so I may get away without the muting
- -perhaps it helps for damaged discs?
- This experiment was done from a position of semi-ignorance and I would
- enthusiastically welcome any comments or suggestions for further
- improvements.
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- Peter Campbell
- C/O Div. Entomology, C.S.I.R.O.
- Box 1700 Canberra A.C.T. 2601
- Australia (peterca@ento.csiro.au)
- Ph.61-6-2464158 (w), 61-6-2516213 (h),
- 61-6-2464173 (fax)
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