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- From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video
- Subject: Re: Selecting an LD Player
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- Date: 4 Jan 1993 04:10:05 GMT
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- Bill Alford writes:
- >Hi Kerry,
- > I can get a lot more detailed on this, but my sonic observations point
- >out that you've missed something vital. I have a new Rotel 955 CD
- >player. Adding a Laser Illusions spatial filter (just a donut shaped
- >device over the laser to better focus the laser) made a nice difference
- >to the resulting sound. Further adding a Simply Physics Isodrive (a
- >machined piece of plastic to completely clamp the CD) made a very
- >noticeable improvement to the resulting sound. All of this was through
- >the same rest of the system. From what I've read so far, your
- >theoretical discussions don't account for this. I wonder why?
-
- I can think of two reasons for an actual change in the sound you
- perceive, but I do consider them unlikely.
-
- 1) Apart from the electronic signal that gets to the speakers and then
- to your ears, there are mechanical noises from the transport that more
- directly enter the listening room. The devices you mentioned could
- affect the mechanical sound of your CD player, thus changing the sound
- that reaches your ear without actually affecting the electronic signal.
- If this were the nature of the effect, it could be reduced (or nearly
- eliminated) by using headphones, or by having the CD player in a
- different room from your speakers. I doubt that this mechanical noise
- argument is what the manufacturer's literature contends.
-
- 2) Your CD player, unaided, has such an inherently high error rate due
- to optical and/or mechanical problems that it is constantly making
- errors that are not catastrophic, but can be, and are, fixed by
- interpolation. The devices mentioned could improve optical and
- mechanical performance in such a way as to reduce this error rate. The
- unaided error rate, however, would have to be unreasonably high,
- probably at least an error or more per second, yet somehow not cause
- severe errors that would result in skipping, popping, clicking, etc.
- Even on cheap players, errors rates are usually so low that many discs
- can be played before even one error requiring interpolation occurs.
-
- What I do consider most likely is (and I hope that I can say this
- without automatically triggering a defensive response) is that you
- imagine the difference. If you've read what I've written previously
- about our sense of hearing, you should know that this is not a
- denunciation. The hearing process requires active use of expectation,
- thus it is very susceptible to suggestion. This can be exemplified by
- the common phemomenon of unintelligible song lyrics that, once
- recognized, become intelligible *and actually sound different*. If you
- can accept this premise, then a meaningful discussion can be had. If you
- are utterly and entirely unwilling to consider the even the slightest
- possiblity that the effects you hear are imagined, or if you simply
- don't mind paying for placebos and prefer your (Laser) Illusions
- unshattered, I will, of course, be unable to persuade you.
-
- I certainly do not give any credence to the 'spatial filter' or the
- 'Isodrive' simply because they are marketed items -- that is, I
- reject the arguement that "they couldn't sell them if they didn't
- work." In fact, 'spatial filter' reeks of High Techo-Drivel.
-
- It is not just my personal prejudice, but a simple matter of what it
- means for something to be 'digital': Numbers are numbers. Bits are bits.
- If the same sequence of bits, with the same timing, issues forth from
- the digital output of a transport, then a particular DAC will respond in
- the same way. If the tweeks you've mentioned don't ultimately effect
- this bit stream, *they cannot effect the audio signal*. And there is
- very little for these tweeks to do to the bit stream. Data errors are
- rare, timing is well maintained, and nearly anything that over stresses
- the tracking, timing, or data transfer from a CD will result in
- catastrophic failure, not subtle sonic effects. (This either-everything-
- is-fine-or-it-blows-up character is a common feature of digital systems.)
-
- -Kerry
-