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- From: allana@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Allan Armstrong)
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:18:33 GMT
- Subject: Re: Carver and the FAQ
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- bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Ty Bower) writes:
-
- >He often tends to use techno-babble and often seems to be making
- >things up to make his equipment sound impressive. More often
- >than not, he will "spare" the listener the details of how and
- >why he has achieved whatever engineering marvel he has achieved
- >and give it a "cool name." (Magnetic field power amps come to
- >mind... what the hell is a magnetic field power amp, anyway?)
-
- Indeed. A "magnetic field power amp" does not use magnetic field for
- amplification in any way. All it is is an amplifier whose positive and
- negative supply is increased during transient peaks. This allows the
- amplifier to deliver a lot of power, but limits dissipation during
- quieter passages. This allows Carver to use smaller (almost no)
- heatsinks. In college, a friend of mine had that Carver cube amplifier.
- Lots of power in no space and very light. It broke down all the time. It
- was an excellent learning vehicle for a couple of EE students, though.
-
- Carver's power supply is simply a transformer with many taps on the
- secondary and more than one set of full-wave recitifiers. The taps are
- switched according to the desired output amplitude. I think Carver also
- runs the class AB output stage very close to class B for lower quiescent
- power dissipation. I guess you could call the a "magnetic field amp"
- because for large signals, a transistor is used to select how much
- magnetic field gets switched to your output stage, but I really think
- this is a marketing name.
-
- At best, a power amp with switched power supplies and very lean bias can
- sound as good as a comparable amp with single supplies and a rich bias.
- At worst, Carver has added several hiccups in the open-loop transfer
- function of the amplifier. Some would claim that the hiccups due to the
- switched power supplies don't matter because distortion is not
- noticeable when the music is cranked, but crossover distortion is most
- noticeable in soft passages.
-
- And then there's "Sonic Holography." In college this was considered the
- ultimate piece of gear to have if you were going to take acid and play
- Dark Side of the Moon past the clipping threshold of your amplifier. I
- actually never heard sonic holography. Can anyone report on what it
- really is? How does it actually work?
-
- >So, although I myself can't condemn Carver equipment, I would
- >never recommend it to anyone, much less purchase it myself.
- >It's kinda like Bose - either you love it or hate it.
- >Bob Carver and Amar Bose are almost the "religion & politics"
- >of the audio world. You just don't bring the subjects up
- >at the dinner table....
-
- Funny. The college I went to had an acoustics class given by Prof. Bose.
- It was supposed to be an excellent class. I really regret not taking it.
- Because we considered Bose "our dude," there were a lot of Bose speakers
- around. I really disliked their sound and was considered a snob and an
- asshole for saying so.
-
- As for the Carver sound, I did listen to the cube a lot. My friend with
- the Carver cube and I often had A/B sessions. We both agreed that my
- Hafler 220 was better. We also agreed that my Hafler 110 preamp was
- marginally better than his NAD. I forget what speakers he had. I think
- they were some really tiny two-ways with a 4" woofer. They had much more
- precise imaging than my Time Windows, but I was a bass freak. I really
- think it made more difference which speakers were chosen than which amp,
- though.
-
- >A friend of mine does some DJ work, and a few summers ago he
- >started using new Carver amps. He has been surprised at how
- >clean and powerful they were (much better than the old amps
- >he was using.) There are many other satisfied Carver owners
- >out there.
-
- A Carver amp would be an excellent choice for DJ work. DJ work rarely
- requires great fidelity but the light weight of the Carver stuff sure
- would be nice.
-
- My friend with the Carver cube tried to lend it to the house for house
- parties. He had all sorts of problems with thermal runaway and shutdown.
- I had to run upstairs and get the Hafler which had no problem. Of course
- we later found out that one of the speakers had a shorted midrange
- driver. I don't remember whether the Carver was usable for parties on
- speakers without shorted drivers, though.
-
- Allan
-
- P. S. -- Bliv, are you out there?
-