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- From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
- Subject: Re: Carver and the FAQ
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:57:19 GMT
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- In <92357.185145YKWON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Youngjoon Kwon (415)926-2761 <YKWON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
-
- >Please challenge me if I am wrong!
-
- >To my best knowledge, the reason "high-end" people do not
- >like Carver product is they are not well-received by such
- >underground magazines as Stereophile. And the reason
- >Stereophile hates Carver (product?) is becasue of the
- >Carver challenge, in which Carver claimed and demonstrated
- >that he can imitate the sound characteristic of any very
- >expensive power amps by adjusting the "transfer functions"
- >using his <$1000 power amp.
-
- Yes and no. I've read the original Stereophile article and they
- were quite surprised and hoped that the production line amps
- would hold up. When they reviewed the production amp (I think
- it was the M1.0 or M1.5), they considered it a decent amp but
- not equivalent to the one in the challenge.
-
- Bob Carver became quite upset. He flew out to Stereophile's head
- office and demanded a rematch, in which an editor succeeded in
- telling the difference between the two. Carver claimed that this
- was because the original (tubed) amp had changed in the intervening
- time.
-
- In his manufacturer's comments, Carver tore into Stereophile. It
- is not the original challenge where the bad blood originates, but
- the revisited challenge and its aftermath. After his comments,
- Stereophile stated it would refuse further advertising and test no
- products from Carver.
-
- By the way, the amplifier in question received a recommendation in
- Stereophile's Recommended Components issue for about a year or so.
- Carver's original TX-11a tuner was also recommended for quite some
- time.
-
- There are also interesting stories about Stereophile and the Carver
- Amazing Loudspeaker. Basically, Bob attempted to modify the speaker
- during the testing period. The overall conclusion was that this is
- an interesting product, but not yet recommended.
-
- It is also worth noting that Carver gear had long been suspect as
- it was believed that Carver relied upon "gimmicks" and slick adver-
- tising rather than solid engineering. The various names he's attached
- to his circuits serve as an example of what the "high-end" hates.
-
- >By the way, I read all about this in the "audio update"
- >column of the "Radio Electronics" magazine.
-
- This ignores the attitude of The Absolute Sound, which was rather smug
- about the whole matter (as they seem to be about everything). TAS has
- never liked Carver's mainline consumer products.
-
- One last little bit. Bob has become enamoured of high-end tubed gear of
- late. The Silver Seven amplifier (one pair for the price of a good car)
- has been followed by a second amplifier and a preamplifier. The Silver
- Seven has received raves in Audio and, yes, TAS. Stereophile never tested
- it. I doubt that Bob would let them get their hands on one.
-
- I think Bob's efforts are two-fold in this direction. High-end approval of
- his products benefits the lower-end line by association and Bob has some-
- thing to prove (that he can design with the best of them). Personally, I
- like the Carver gear (particularly the S/DA-490t CD player) and would con-
- sider it if I needed the power and could afford it.
-
- >For me, personally; I think Carver's sound just fine...
- >And, I can't find any reason why Carver stuffs should
- >be bashed among the audiophiles...
-
- >-Youngjoon
-
- And now you know the rest of the story...
-
- Paul
-