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- From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
- Subject: Re: The Cos on skids, and the Snow Problem problem
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.200624.921@tessi.com>
- Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
- References: <1992Dec21.174102.16911@nwnexus.WA.COM>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:06:24 GMT
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- pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) writes:
-
- >Crystal had written about hearing the Cos's advice "turn in the
- >direction of the skid ..." in a tight spot. Happened to me too,
- >in Tulsa in 1975. (Yoowza - where'd that station wagon come from???)
-
- >On the "I can drive in snow" thread - I heard a statement that I
- >agree with. Most of the people who say "I'm from BigSnowState
- >and I know how to drive in Snow" usually are missing two crucial
- >differences: wet snow and hills. And irregular snow falls. That's
- >three. [Amoung the differences are ...]
-
- >With out the regualr snowfall there is less chance to practice.
- >The wet snow makes for slick roads in a heartbeat, and the hills
- >just tend to negate SOP for intersections (The snow and ice rules
- >are that traffic up the hill has right of way unless you are sliding
- >sideways down the hill. Sliding down the hill backwards is still a
- >2 point penalty.)
-
- I will definitely agree with you on the above. I grew up in northern
- Ohio, right on Lake Erie, so I saw quite a bit of snow during the
- winter months.
-
- I left Ohio when I was 25 and now live in Portland, OR. Over the last
- 4 years of living here, I have to state that driving in the rare
- snow and/or ice conditions of Portland is a FAR cry from driving around
- in Ohio during the winter. In Ohio, it would snow and snow some more,
- until there was *usually* several inches on the ground. This stuff would
- pack down fairly well and travelling on it wasn't that bad. In addition,
- it would usually warm up after a couple of days and the sun would come
- out, melting the snow during the day. Oh, and one more thing, they use
- mega amounts of salt on the roads in the Midwest and good, steep hills
- are very rare in most of the Midwest.
-
- In Portland, on the other had, hills are pretty prominent. Additionally,
- not much snow comes down in Portland itself (except for THIS winter
- season, where we've had two snowfalls already at the low elevations).
- When it does snow, the temp. is usually right around freezing, so it's
- not uncommon to get snow/freezing rain/sleet all at about the same time.
- Additionally, there is NO salt used at all on the roadways, just sand
- and gravel. When I drive to and from work, a distance of 9 miles, I
- can be at any of several different elevations with a variance of as much
- as 1000 ft. during the commute and thus can start out from work with rain
- and end up at home in a snowstorm. And RARELY do I travel anywhere near
- the speed limit when winter weather hits Portland, this even with chains
- and/or studded tires on.
-
- So, I know what the difference is driving where the usual winter gets
- a lot of snow vs. what Portland is like, where a day in the winter with
- sunshine is the norm, indeed.
-
- allen
-