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- From: kko@fraser.sfu.ca (Samuel Ko)
- Subject: Re: Can someone start alt.comedy.standup please?
- Message-ID: <kko.725334659@sfu.ca>
- Sender: news@sfu.ca
- Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <BzuEzv.F4J@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:50:59 GMT
- Lines: 133
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- jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
-
- >I don't know if this group exists (my sources tell me it doesn't), and
- >I would like it to be created. What is the right way to get
- >alt.comedy.standup started?
-
- Read this ...
-
- >From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher Samuel)
- >Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,news.answers
- >Subject: Creating a new "alt" group -- guidelines
-
- Archive-name: alt-config-guide
- Version: 1.3
- Last-modified: Thu Oct 22 16:36:09 GMT 1992
-
-
-
- Guidelines for the creation of an "alt" group.
-
- There are no rules or guidelines for creation of "alt" groups, However
- there does appear to be an established procedure which follows. First a
- quick bit of common-sense on choosing the name:
-
- When choosing a name for a group please note the only commandment: Thou
- shalt not choose a group name which may cause network harm or harm to a
- local machine.
-
- Examples:
-
- alt.fan.enya.puke.puke.pukeSender:
-
- [preceding line to Sender had <CR> deleted; also the
- trailing : can cause problems in some news systems]
-
- alt.verylonggroupnamethathasadirectorylongerthanmost\
- machinessupportsotherehaha.very.funny
-
- alt.[insert300charactershere].very.long.group.name.\
- that.is.too.big.for.newsrc
-
- alt.*.this.name.has.bad.characters.in.it
-
- alt..double.dot.group.name
-
-
- Now the Guidelines:
- -------------------
-
- 1) Propose a new alt group in alt.config. The proposal
- should include a charter or purpose for the new group, and
- some demonstration of the need for the group. It is best to
- make it clear in your subject line that you are proposing a
- new group. Be prepared to explain why an existing group cannot
- be used for this purpose, and why the group should be in "alt"
- rather than in one of the mainstream hierarchies (like
- "rec", "sci", etc.). Avoiding the complexity of the
- mainstream group creation procedure is not a very good
- reason, groups should not be created in "alt" just because
- it's easier. Many sites do not get any alt groups, so if
- you are proposing a serious group, it is worth the effort to
- try to get it into a mainstream hierarchy.
-
- 2) See what the alt.net.opinion of the new group is. Wait a
- few days for replies to trickle in from the far corners of
- the net. If the consensus (however you determine that) is
- that the group should be created, then proceed to step 3.
-
- (these first two steps are often ignored, which usually
- leads to unpleasantness in step 4 below)
-
- 3) Post a "newgroup" control message. If you don't know
- how to do this, check with your news administrator. If you
- ARE your news administrator, and you can't figure it out
- from the documentation you have (or don't have any
- documentation) send me mail and I will help you. NOTE that
- many sites do NOT automatically honor "newgroup" and
- "rmgroup" control messages, the news software at these sites
- will send mail to the news administrator, who will evaluate
- your request and decide whether or not to create the group.
- It may take a couple of days for the control message to
- propagate and be acted upon, so don't expect instant
- availability of the new group, particularly if you post the
- control message on a Friday night.
-
- NB: It is good manners to put a description of the new
- newsgroup into the newgroup message, along with a
- one-line description suitable for inclusion into the
- newsgroups file.
-
- 4) Let the individual site news administrators decide
- whether to honor your "newgroup" message. Most admins
- prefer that the message come from a verifiable account,
- messages which are obviously forged, or have not been
- discussed in alt.config and contain no explanation will
- probably not be honored by many sites. Persons opposed to
- the group, or admins who feel that the newgroup message was
- a forgery may send out "rmgroup" messages to try to sabotage
- the group. It may take several iterations of this process
- to firmly establish the new group. It has been humorously
- suggested that only alt groups which get 100 more "newgroup"
- than "rmgroup" messages should be established. However,
- these "rmgroup wars" are annoying to news administrators,
- and reduce the overall acceptance (and distribution) of the
- "alt" hierarchy. This is the reason that steps 1 and 2
- above are important.
-
-
- This may sound like a lot of rigamarole, and it is. The purpose is to
- discourage creation of alt groups that might be better off as mainstream
- groups, or that might be better off left uncreated.
-
- Don't take this all too seriously, though. The "alt" net is the last
- remaining refuge away from the control freaks, namespace purists and
- net.cops (like myself) that maintain and enforce the mainstream
- newsgroup guidelines.
-
- There is still some room for spontaneity out here on the "alt" frontier.
- Successful groups have been created without following these suggestions.
- Almost any non-forged, serious newgroup message will at least be
- considered by most news admins. Some groups have been created just on a
- whim. The concept behind the group better be good (or a least
- entertaining), though!
-
- [ If you want more information on mainstream group creation see the post
- "How to Create a New Newsgroup" posted to news.answers, news.admin and
- news.groups. ]
-
- --
- Christopher Samuel, c/o Computer Unit, UCW Aberystwyth, Aberystwyth, WALES
- RFC: ccs@aber.ac.uk UUCP: *!mcsun!uknet!aber!ccs JNT: ccs@uk.ac.aber
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