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- From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
- Subject: Re: A R G I C allows itself far too much
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.185055.18248@muddcs.claremont.edu>
- Originator: irilyth@fenris
- Sender: news@muddcs.claremont.edu (The News System)
- Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:50:55 GMT
- Lines: 55
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- Ken Bibb (kbibb@maui.qualfomm.com) writes:
-
- > But can [Uunet] refuse service because a *human* isn't behind the posts?
-
- Tim Pierce (twpierce@unix.amherst.edu) replies:
-
- > Who can prove that? I don't believe it's true. I'd lay money that
- > Argic's choice of messages to follow up is motivated by a similar kind
- > of pattern-scanning mechanism to Kibo's (i.e. find /usr/spool/news
- > -exec grep -i turk) but I think that someone actually attempts to
- > write at least some of the prose.
-
- While the text was certainly written by a human at some point, it appears
- that posts are being made without any human interaction. That is, the poster
- is not only pattern-scanning, but is also auto-posting replies based on the
- results of the scan. I've sent a couple of messages to this group and
- soc.culture.turkish in an attempt to gather evidence for this hypothesis,
- and it's pretty convincing. This morning's effort should be fairly
- conclusive if Argic is in fact just a machine.
-
- > But besides that, why should it? UUNET's job is to funnel news to and
- > from paying customers. Why should it decline that service from
- > anatolia just because someone's put an automaton behind it?
-
- I don't know enough about UUNET or the legality/morality of flooding the net
- with posts, and Argic is "flooding" a small enough segment that this
- probably isn't a problem. What if someone set up a daemon to follow up to
- every post made to every group by quoting the entire post, and adding the
- single line "Good points, John" or "I disagree, John" (chosen randomly) at
- the bottom? Given the equipment to do this quickly, this could effectively
- double the size of Usenet overnight. What if it posted five or ten followups
- to every message? What if it started following up to its own followups?
- Imminent death of the net predicted! (grin)
-
- Seriously, though, it seems like auto-posters could easily end up costing a
- lot of people a lot of money, completely aside from the hassle factor of
- having half of the messages in any group generated by a daemon with nothing
- new to say. (Several newsgroups already fit this description thanks to
- Argic.)
-
- I don't, unfortunately, have any solutions. I do think that it's a problem,
- though, and that if it happened on a wider scale and/or in more heavily
- traveled groups, that there would be a significant hue and cry to do
- _something_. I'm sure the readers of Argic's target groups would appreciate
- any suggestions anyone has, other than the standard "use a killfile", which
- does a reasonable job of eliminating he hassle factor, but doesn't do
- anything to reduce the costs (hundreds, if not thousands of dollars :^) of
- Argic's automated tirade.
-
- Evidence for the "Argic is an automaton" hypothesis coming tomorrow to a
- newsgroup near you.
- --
- Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator :: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
- Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA :: consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
- "It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
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