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- From: ccrazy@athena.mit.edu (Ellen Kranzer)
- Subject: Re: Drinking and the MBTA was Re: Sunday Liquor Sales
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.042058.21799@athena.mit.edu>
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:20:58 GMT
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- In article <PSHUANG.92Dec21202139@ninja.mit.edu> pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec21.155847.7913@m5.harvard.edu> borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes:
- >
- >> be at a severe competitive disadvantage, because of the high subsidies which
- >> the MBTA receives (I heard about 85 percent - is that true?), but people
- >
- >While this might be true, I do not believe it unless someone can confirm
- >this using real financial figures and not "Well, I heard it was true."
- >(I seem to recall the last fare raise in San Francisco, to 85 cents from
- >75 cents, brought the MUNI bus operation there back to the break-even
- >point again.) Yes, I suppose *I* could try to uncover those figures, but
- >the burden of proof should be on the person who uses the fact to bolster
- >their argument and not on people who disagree with him. :)
-
- I don't know what the current subsidy level is, and at this hour of
- the night it is hard to check, but the T is DEFINITELY subsidized by
- the communities it runs through. Communities with subway service pay
- more than communities with just bus service.
-
- These subsidies are one reason why there are some oddities on the T
- map, and in particular part of the reason that the Red Line ends at
- Alewife rather than continuing up Mass. Ave. into Arlington --
- Arlington didn't want to pay. (There also was some other wierd
- politics going on, but I had just moved into the area at the time the
- Red Line extension from Harvard to Alewife began construction and I
- didn't quite understand all of it).
-
- >[Stuff deleted about monopolies to insure service to all areas]
- If you had completely free competion, you would get bus service during
- rush hours and on certain major routes during the day and all the rest
- would drop off as unprofitable. How unprofitable, well in 7 years I
- can't remember ever seeing more than 5 people on the last bus on my
- run on weekdays -- and usually it is more like 2-3. That doesn't even
- pay the driver's salary for the 1/2 hour the run is rated at (not to
- mention the inbound 1/2 hour to get back to the garage).
-
- Even if the T said 'no problem, go run a late night bus service', it
- is highly unlikely that it would be possible to make money on any
- single route, nevermind a system of routes. Also, the taxi lobby
- would scream bloody murder.
-
- -- Ellen Kranzer
- ccrazy@athena.mit.edu
-