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- From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
- Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
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- References: <BzzH4s.M60@well.sf.ca.us> <1992Dec28.200756.18681@cs.ucla.edu> <1992Dec29.135226.20152@panix.com> <1992Dec29.221407.24874@ryptyde.cts.com> <1992Dec30.122028.2193@engage.pko.dec.com>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:13:44 GMT
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- busta@vicki.enet.dec.com writes:
-
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- >In article <1992Dec29.221407.24874@ryptyde.cts.com>, scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes...
- >>patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger) writes:
- >>
- >>>In article <1992Dec28.200756.18681@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
- >>>>In article <BzzH4s.M60@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
- >>>>writes in "alt.conspiracy":
- >>>>
- >>
- >>[..]
- >>
- >>>>|I applaud President Bush's pardon of Cap Weinberger and the others. It is
- >>>>|not a question that these patriots are "above the law" as President Clinton
- >>>>
- >>>> "Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy."
- >>>> -- George Bernard Shaw
- >>
- >>Well, you know what they say about opinions... 8-)
- >>
- >>>>|fears. The real issue is justice and the balance of power between the
- >>>>|Congress and the Executive. Nazi Germany made racial laws, were they just?
- >>>>
- >>> The "real issue" is that Special Prosecutor Lawrence E.
- >>> Walsh was appointed by the RayGun Administration to find
- >>> the truth and ferret out the weasels involved in
- >>> Iran/Contra-Gate! One of Walsh's initial reactions was
- >>> ** the fish smells from the head down **
- >>
- >>So? What's the big deal about?
-
-
- > The big deal is that Reagan/Bush and company felt they could do
- > anything they damn well pleased even though Congress and most of
- > the American people said NO to giving military support to the Contras.
-
- Most of the American people?? Where do you get that??
- This was a policy dispute between a Republican president and a
- Democratic congress. You forget that Reagan was elected by these
- same people that you assume so glibly opposed his policies, by
- a margin significantly higher than Slick Willy's "Mandate".
-
- > To Reagan/Bush this obviously meant, lets sell some arms to `moderate'
- > Iranian leaders so that maybe they'll release our hostages, take the
- > money made from the deal, skim a percentage off the top to line our
- > pockets for the good idea we came up with and send the rest down
- > to support the Nicaraguan opposition
-
- And exactly how many people working for Reagan have been convicted
- of lining their pockets? Especially with a $31 million dollar budge
- (so far) to root out the evil..
-
- > No big deal.... Laws? What laws?
-
- >>It's all just a big liberal-sponsored
- >>witch-hunt.
-
-
- > Oh sure. Lifetime conservative Republican Lawrence Walsh is now a
- > liberal on a witch hunt. Too bad we don't have more like him. You know,
- > the kind of person who doesn't take sides based on their political
- > affiliations......
-
- I think that a lot of attorneys would have found a lot of dirt for
- $31 million. You can live a long time on that much money. Besides,
- Walsh has had little to do with the prosecution for a while. There
- are a number of fairly activist prosecutors running the show anymore,
- without any effective control.
-
- >> Why should such a powerful position be given to just one
- >>person?
-
-
- > Because the legislative and executive branches granted him that
- > power......
-
-
- >> He doesn't have to answer to *anyone*. That's just not right,
- >>IMHO.
-
-
- > That's the whole point. He's not a liberal on a witch hunt nor a
- > conservative trying to protect his buddies. He's out solely for the
- > truth wherever the cards may fall....
-
- And $31 million dollars. After all, aren't all conservative
- republicans greedy?
-
- > Doing "unpopular" or "politically incorrect" things to get the job done
- > is fine with me and most likely the rest of the people of the country, it's
- > when people break the law and feel they are above the law when caught is
- > what, well frankly, pisses me off......
-
- Which laws are you talking about? Jaywalking? Lying to Congress?
-
- >> It's the way the world works. It may not sit well with
- >>the average citizen whose only link to the rest of the world is CNN Headline
- >>News.
-
- > Seems to me that may be YOUR only link to the rest of the world from your
- >above statements.....
- >>
- >>Ah, but this is all speculation on our part. The only one who knows
- >>the "real" story are the people involved.
- > Yeah, like Gene Hausanfus, Ollie North, Poindexter, Secord, McFarlane
- > (who for all intents and purposes admitted to what was going down), etc.,
- > etc.,....ad nauseum.....
-
- Yes - and he thought (and probably thinks to this day) that he was
- being patriotic in what he was doing.
-
- > Ahh... something we can agree on. IF the Clinton administration pulls
- > anything similar or feels THEY are above the law, then I hope Walsh
- > will be re-instated as a Special Prosecutor and go after those people
- > with the same amount of enthusiasm.....
-
- I don't expect to see the criminalization of policy differences
- between a democratic president and a democratic congress.
-
- Bruce E. Hayden
- (303) 758-8400
- bhayden@csn.org
-