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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
- Message-ID: <1992Dec25.073354.5806@rotag.mi.org>
- Keywords: Guilty
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Dec18.171423.16798@leland.Stanford.EDU> <19491@smoke.brl.mil>
- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:33:54 GMT
- Lines: 61
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- In article <19491@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec18.171423.16798@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- >dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
- >
- >>In article <19483@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt)
- >>writes:
- >
- >>>If a man wants the kind of reproductive freedom that the ladies and
- >>>girls currently have, he should have been born a girl. [Matt Rosenblatt]
- >
- >>You often post this sort of thing Matt, and in some instances
- >>I even agree with you. But how far are you willing to take it?
- >
- >>Let's invoke Godwin's Law here for a moment.
- >
- >>If my relatives who were carted off to concentration camps in
- >>Hitler's Germany had come to you complaining about certain
- >>social policies of the German government, would you have
- >>replied "If a Jew wants the kind of freedom to come and go
- >>as he pleases that Christians currently have, he should have
- >>been born a Christian"? [Dave Eisen]
- >
- >What happened to the Jews in Hitler's Germany shouldn't happen
- >to *anyone*. Would it have been any less wrong if Hitler's Nazis
- >had gone and rounded up people indiscriminately for imprisonment
- >and later murder in concentration camps?
- >
- >On the other hand, if men are *supposed* to support the children
- >they conceive, there's nothing wrong with making them do so, even
- >if women can get out of it.
-
- Okay, so you admit that all this "ENVY and RESENTMENT" bullshit neither
- adds to nor subtracts from the justification for paternity child support,
- and what really matters is whether the way it works now is the way it's
- "supposed" [sic] to work, according to some no doubt marvellously quaint
- Natural Law line of reasoning, right?
-
- >>I agree with you that it is not the function of governmental
- >>policy to assuage the ENVY and RESENTMENT of everyone who loses
- >>under an existing social system. But you seem to take this to
- >>the extreme that the fact that the losers under this system
- >>are acting out of ENVY and RESENTMENT automatically weakens
- >>their case. I can't imagine why anyone would think this.
- >
- >There's gotta be a better reason for taking from A and giving to B
- >-- which is what redistributionist government policies do -- than
- >the mere fact that A has more than B and B therefore ENVIES and
- >RESENTS A. If there is no better reason, we should let A alone
- >to keep what he has, and tell B to be content with what *he* has.
-
- Sounds good to me. How do you justify the current redistributionist
- government policies implicit in paternity child support? What underpins
- the current system besides the "ENVY and RESENTMENT" [sic] by women of
- men, because the maternal instinct is, according to the Conventional Wisdom,
- stronger and less controllable than the paternal instinct, or their "ENVY
- and RESENTMENT" [sic] of men's statistically-higher rates of income (a
- disparity I assume you would defend as part of "Male Privilege" [sic])?
-
- (Heh. Oughta be fun watching Rosenblatt dance around this one.)
-
- - Kevin
-