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- From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
- Subject: Re: Circumcision etc.
- Message-ID: <gdavis.725740062@griffin>
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- Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
- References: <1hqba0INNds0@gap.caltech.edu>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:27:42 GMT
- Lines: 72
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- In <1hqba0INNds0@gap.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
-
- >>Sheryl Says:
- >>
- >>
- >>
- >>1. Recent studies have shown that circumcised men have less chance of
- >> getting penile cancer.
-
- >How COMMON is penile cancer? I would think it is quite rare. If one was
- >to use this argument then since 1 out of 9 women will get breast
- >cancer in their life all newborn girls should have mastectomies!
-
- Penile cancer is exceptionally rare. One of the rarest of carcinomas.
- Infact breast cancer in men is more frequent.
- It is however reported that for some reason penile cancer has a high
- mortality. This is odd since it is essentially a skin cancer which normally
- have cure rates of 90 percent or more. The factor which in most studies
- remains unreported is that penile cancer is associated with sexually
- transmitted disease and diet. Almost 90% of case are among elderly
- men with incomes below the poverty level. One can also infer their
- educational is low as well. It is estimated (AAP task force on circ)
- that penile cancer in the USA is one in 600 while in other advanced
- societies which donot circumcise it is 1 in 100,000.
- Clearly some other sociological factor unrelated to circumcision
- status must be involved!
-
- >>2. A small number of men have a problem where the foreskin does not grow
- >> with the penis. (I forgot the name of this problem) In this case a
- >> circumcision is medically required.
-
- >And how rare is this? Is the occurrence of this problem more or less
- >frequent than say complications due to the circumcision itself?
-
-
- Complaints concerning the foreskin are actually rare. The most frequent
- difficulty appears to be the inability to fully retract the foreskin in
- adult life. This is called phimosis. Usually in the USA the only solution
- is circumcision. In other socities streaching and a dilation of
- the foreskin opening and a separation of the foreskin from the glans is
- the treatment rendered.
- Only in a society which does not value the foreskin is every problem
- concerning it remedited through its excision.
- >>3. The older a man gets the more painfull a circumcision is. My sisters
-
- >Hmmmm.... How do you know this? Did someone compare the pain level
- >of a newborn who was circumcised to the pain of say a 30 year old? 40
- >year old. How do you know this?
-
- >> boyfriend had to be circumcised when he was in his mid thirties, he
- >> was in the hospital for two weeks. According to my doctor, that is not
- >> unusual for a man that age.
-
- Your boy friend may have been circumcised,wheather it was needed is another
- issue entirely!
- >He was hospitalized for the pain???? I'm confused. Please elaborate.
-
- >I have nothing against anyone who wants to have their son circumcised for
- >religious regions. I mean, that is the only real reason for
- >circumcision.
-
- >And that's good enough.
-
-
- How can religious reasons really be good enough either. What ever value
- (psychological or tribal) value circumcision at one time played for
- both Jews and Moslems is now long over. It is just a lock-step
- response to social pressure.
- --
- ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
- The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
- palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
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