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- From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
- Subject: Re: Celebrating Xmas and Hannakuh
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:40:32 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec15.072607.22478@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
-
- >Hmm...now since I seem to recall that the story behind Hannukah is that some
- >hairball from Greece or Persia came in and tried to destroy Judaism, and
- >that after the Maccabees and their followers defeated this guy there was
- >only enough oil left for one day in the temple, which miraculously lasted
- >for eight days until they could purify more
-
- That's it in a nutshell. Many non-orthodox students of Jewish history
- believe that since many cultures have some sort of winter holiday
- involving candles or other flames, Chanukah was probably adapted from
- earlier observances. There is also substantial evidence that the
- military victory was being celebrated for years before the oil story
- arose. Some speculate that the rabbis didn't like the idea of having a
- holiday based on a war, and added the part about the oil to the story,
- so that the miracle involved would be a peaceful one (the military
- victory was no less miraculous!).
-
- >you could conceivably get your
- >kids' interest by explaining to them that if not for Hannukah, there might
- >not have been a Christmas.
-
- How ironic! I hadn't heard that line of thought before, but you're right.
-
- >But I'm not sure if you really need to try to
- >elevate what was a relatively minor holiday in your tradition to the level
- >of one that *is* a major one in your husband's tradtion just to feel some
- >sort of cultural parity. No flame here, just my innocent opinion. In fact,
- >maybe it would be good for your kids to see some holidays where the emphasis
- >isn't on the gifts, and where what gifts there are are low key.
-
- Sounds good to me. Purim is really the Jewish holiday where gift-giving,
- decorations, parties, etc are more traditionally found. Costumes for
- children are also customary (orthodox Jews don't observe Halloween).
-
- Interesting bit of trivia: the "Christmas" wreath began as a Chanukah
- custom! In the story of the Macabees, it says that after the temple
- was rededicated, it was decorated with "crowns". This sounds a little
- weird, until you remember that in those times, a crown was a laurel
- wreath. Wreaths were associated with Chanukah for many years, so much
- so that early Christian leaders tried to discourage their use because
- of their association with Judaism. Of course, this eventually flipped
- the other way.
-
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